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Post by Brutus Aurelius on Dec 29, 2015 21:50:16 GMT -5
So, by now it has been established that the Zendu bloodline passes memories down through the generations. We know that Templars can use the memories of their ancestors to redefine their skills and to be one with their Leviathan mech. So, I have a few questions, because I'm a lore whore.
1) What is the process for a Zendu to retrieve their ancestors' memories? I believe it has been mentioned as a meditation, but is there a special procedure for it? Special accommodations needed, like how Halo's Forerunners did their "Mutations"?
2) How exactly are the Zendu bloodlines passed on? I believe the most likely mechanism would be extra chromosomes that are dedicated to the carrying of memories rather than body blueprints.
3) I'm sure that after generations, the Leviathan pilot interface could have been improved beyond levers and joysticks. Is this refusal to move to more advanced interfaces born out of an attenpt to keep Narvidian interference with Leviathan mechs to a minimum, a desire to make the use out of pilot memories, or a combination of the above?
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Post by CdrPlatypus on Dec 30, 2015 9:59:21 GMT -5
Agreed ed on 2. Extra chromosomes would be the way to pass them on.
3.) I've been thinking about this myself and I think the reliance on the bloodline memories holds the Templar order back from advancing their technology.
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Post by ntsheep on Dec 30, 2015 13:46:21 GMT -5
Have also thought that number 2 was that way. It's pretty much the norm in science fiction. As for number 3,
"You call master?"
"Shut up you moron. Go watch an ecchi."
I don't think it holds them back. They're all scattered around the known universe. Plus as real life history shows, some things don't change because there's no real need too. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. In ST it's always been said that the main fleet is off elsewhere, and only a small group is left behind. They're most likely too busy to try and do research. In TB the science vessel gets destroyed, that was probably their only way of doing research. I can think of lots of valid reasons why tech is stuck at a certain level besides any restrictions put in place by their laws or genetic memory.
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Post by algesan on Dec 30, 2015 17:33:05 GMT -5
1) I'd think any quiet spot to avoid too much limitation. IIRC, there are some hints with a Templar at least skimming their memories on the fly in missions.
2) Dude, Spice. Whatever mechanism is desired, biologists are still not sure how much information our DNA can store. I don't see "junk DNA" being much more valid than "vestigial organs" and possibly as valid as "Ontogeny recapitulates Phylogeny".
3) I wonder about this one myself. After all, when Captain X dies without issue, either the Templars are out one Captain forever...or another Templar can step up and learn new things. It could be an issue with incomplete ability on the part of the new Templar to grok his entire lineage early on, which would account for dividing Templars up into various classes as each new Templar gets slotted into the bit they remember best.
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Post by Brutus Aurelius on Dec 30, 2015 18:59:06 GMT -5
algesanSpice, according to Cory Trese , actually inhibits the ability of Templars to reach their Lineage memories. It is only used to suppress memories that young Templars should not be viewing yet
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Post by ntsheep on Dec 30, 2015 20:34:45 GMT -5
algesan Spice, according to Cory Trese , actually inhibits the ability of Templars to reach their Lineage memories. It is only used to suppress memories that young Templars should not be viewing yet like mom and dad's wedding night  |
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Post by CdrPlatypus on Dec 31, 2015 0:00:42 GMT -5
algesan Spice, according to Cory Trese , actually inhibits the ability of Templars to reach their Lineage memories. It is only used to suppress memories that young Templars should not be viewing yet like mom and dad's wedding night  |
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Post by Brutus Aurelius on Dec 31, 2015 7:34:24 GMT -5
algesan Spice, according to Cory Trese , actually inhibits the ability of Templars to reach their Lineage memories. It is only used to suppress memories that young Templars should not be viewing yet like mom and dad's wedding night Please report to the airlock. Without an EVA suit |
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Post by ntsheep on Dec 31, 2015 12:13:22 GMT -5
Sorry guys, when number 3 strikes, he strikes big time. Your lucky he didn't do a list of things.
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Post by algesan on Dec 31, 2015 13:45:31 GMT -5
algesan Spice, according to Cory Trese , actually inhibits the ability of Templars to reach their Lineage memories. It is only used to suppress memories that young Templars should not be viewing yet Ah, hadn't seen that bit. I was just making the generic popular space opera series reference for the quick joke. The serious bit was to point out that extra chromosomes may not be required...which also ties into the joke reference. |
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Post by ntsheep on Dec 31, 2015 14:15:23 GMT -5
Tired of forgetting everything you studied for that test.
Missing important dates like birthdays, anniversaries, and job interviews.
Waking up in strange places, beds, and what not.
Try new Zendu Memory!
Never forget boring facts again.
You'll always remember every day down to the last nano second.
Get that great Deja Vu feeling to warn you every time.
Call now! Operators are standing by!
***Some genetic modification may be required***
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Post by algesan on Jan 1, 2016 1:32:19 GMT -5
Well, given that last post, the usual suspect in game comparisons not only does genetic modifications, it also appears to do memory implants from cranky old machines that are not only suspected of missing data, they also appear to not be properly implanting the data they do have and adding on top of it all, the individuals receiving the memories cannot always recall it correctly. Even when they do, the process can take months to years. During this time the n00bs spend their time in lower skill positions, although the have physical as well as mental adjustments to make.
Which may be part of the issue here as new Templars must learn to memory dive without becoming lost, which was a problem in the universe my joke about spice came from.
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Post by Brutus Aurelius on Jan 22, 2016 20:03:01 GMT -5
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Post by ntsheep on Jan 22, 2016 20:13:44 GMT -5
I think he's been meditating on it  |
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Post by Cory Trese on Jan 22, 2016 20:56:58 GMT -5
So, by now it has been established that the Zendu bloodline passes memories down through the generations. We know that Templars can use the memories of their ancestors to redefine their skills and to be one with their Leviathan mech. So, I have a few questions, because I'm a lore whore. 1) What is the process for a Zendu to retrieve their ancestors' memories? I believe it has been mentioned as a meditation, but is there a special procedure for it? Special accommodations needed, like how Halo's Forerunners did their "Mutations"? 2) How exactly are the Zendu bloodlines passed on? I believe the most likely mechanism would be extra chromosomes that are dedicated to the carrying of memories rather than body blueprints. 3) I'm sure that after generations, the Leviathan pilot interface could have been improved beyond levers and joysticks. Is this refusal to move to more advanced interfaces born out of an attenpt to keep Narvidian interference with Leviathan mechs to a minimum, a desire to make the use out of pilot memories, or a combination of the above? 1) The process is a skill that is taught by the previous generation of Zendu to the next. It is a form of deep meditation, physical exercise, and self-hypnosis. Even without this process, some of the ancestor's memories, skills and knowledge may come to the surface. The first Zendu to experience the process (a young boy and teenage girl) had no context for the process but still experienced it. It is important to note here that the process is two sided. An individual's memories, skills and knowledge are not passed down to future generations without effort. The process that a Zendu master uses to retrieve the stored information from his or her ancestors is also used to encode new information into the bloodline. Some events, traumas and extreme situations can cause instant and unwanted storage (this still needs a name.) The individuals who inherit the Zendu bloodline do so within a range of potential. There are those who have great potential and those who have lesser abilities. As the length of the Zendu bloodline increases, the dangers for high potential Zendu practitioners grows. Higher potential Zendu are able to reach back farther in the bloodline with their practice and retrieve encoded (intentionally or accidentally) memories, skills and knowledge. 2) The process doesn't involve an additional chromosome and the Zendu descendants are capable of reproducing with normal humans. The Templar believe that the atmosphere of Mal Direx contained a virus that, over generations, modified the DNA of the Zendu. I have had long discussions about this process with my father (PhD in genetics) and my wife (PhD in neurobiology) but it never really made much sense to me (high school education.) I did get that something about DNA methylation and genomic imprinting. In all seriousness, the exact scientific explanation I'll probably leave to a future date when I'm writing (or editing) a full length sci-fi novel about the Zendu =) 3) I would say the primary reason for the slow evolution of the Leviathan is how effective it is in battle. It is the pilot's abilities and training that make them such devastating walking tanks and redesigning them means starting over the encoding of skills by the Zendu. Furthermore, the Leviathan mech was built by the Guild in the Star Forges. The production of these devices, in particular their power plants and heat dissipation cores, is beyond the current technology and therefore is difficult / impossible for the Star Traders. This limits any redesign of the Levaithan. |
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