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Post by fallen on Jan 9, 2016 18:17:48 GMT -5
Should rename 'basic' attacks 'desperate stabs in the dark' to make it clear they are intended to be that, give tips in the loading screens and/or at least give sp potions randomly, something/ anything to truly fix the edge cases, because they are still not that rare. Does your analytics take into account played and deleted games with no internet access, or more so, total frustrated man-hours of every player? Analytics are useful, but they have become a crutch in modern times that still don't account for all human experience in the games. Observing live, in person and unaided still give a fuller picture. Having incomplete data is dealing in obscurities and half truths. Data != knowledge! Thanks for the feedback. The analytics are pretty useful to get a good picture of how people are playing the game. It also helps to shed light on how are assumptions are playing out in the wild. Not sure what else we can say, feel like we are 100% talking past each other. Legends of Steel will not use the same Talent system as Heroes, so horse was dead before it even started. |
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Post by En1gma on Jan 9, 2016 18:17:45 GMT -5
Honestly my very favorite thing you post, fallen. I might actually see if I can make that bumper sticker. |
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Post by fallen on Jan 9, 2016 18:18:04 GMT -5
Honestly my very favorite thing you post, fallen. I might actually see if I can make that bumper sticker. Thanks for the feedback  |
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Post by matrim on Jan 9, 2016 18:21:26 GMT -5
It's nice to know that no horses were injured in the making of this thread.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Jan 9, 2016 18:29:37 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with dead horses, but I want a DEADLY horse I can ride into battle!
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Post by fallen on Jan 9, 2016 18:30:37 GMT -5
Lol exactly |
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Jan 9, 2016 18:36:53 GMT -5
Honestly my very favorite thing you post, fallen. I might actually see if I can make that bumper sticker. Thanks for the feedback It's almost as if it's professional courtesy rather than genuine sentiment. :-p But it is a straw man fallacy to say anyone suggested the same talent system was being asked for. At the very least differences were spoken of on some level. Watch out to not take the nuances out, no matter how misplaced. |
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Post by En1gma on Jan 9, 2016 18:54:33 GMT -5
Die horse! Erm... Stay dead!
There are a few times where the free attacks can be useful, but bottom line for Vraes, 2 SP for Savage Sweep is in all ways superior to the Basic Strike.
I understand your point, but the game is 100% meant be played using empowered attacks, and not some basic swing that serves no other purpose (unless your entire group is built around using free attacks) than to be a fallback, last ditch effort.
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Post by fallen on Jan 9, 2016 18:56:31 GMT -5
Die horse! Erm... Stay dead! There are a few times where the free attacks can be useful, but bottom line for Vraes, 2 SP for Savage Sweep is in all ways superior to the Basic Strike. I understand your point, but the game is 100% meant be played using empowered attacks, and not some basic swing that serves no other purpose (unless your entire group is built around using free attacks) than to be a fallback, last ditch effort. Well said! wascalwywabbit - we work hard every time we design a game to ensure the right level of complexity and simplicity. We don't get everything right (as Cory said, looking back, the Basic Attacks was a mistake) but we can't fix it once the game is in the wild in thousands of player's hands. We can plan forward, that is all! |
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Jan 9, 2016 19:03:48 GMT -5
Rise zombie horse army rise!
No, I was done last post.
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Post by richard on Jan 9, 2016 19:29:57 GMT -5
For empowered attacks, most characters have two attacks that are similar, the later one is more powerfull version of initial one.
I think in the next games, they should be tied togeather
For example with Vraes
Crushing Blow and Ferocity
Instead of two separate talents, they should be links with Ferocity being a super Crushing blow trigger by the user.
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Post by ntsheep on Jan 9, 2016 19:33:51 GMT -5
If you want zombie horses, use Necrosheep to raise them,  |
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Post by matrim on Jan 9, 2016 20:41:53 GMT -5
Instantly made me think of Wizardry 6 and the Priests of Ramm. Cool pic.
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Post by anrdaemon on Jan 9, 2016 21:28:47 GMT -5
Regarding basic attacks, I've found myself using them often in very early game. Especially my VKFT/Hard run, where Vraes was running out of SP constantly.
The later use of basic attacks came with Tamilin switching from daggers to TK. Had to go by the basic attack until I got next talent to spend on Torrent. But that's an exception I guess.
Naturally, I see nothing wrong with a concept of 0 SP attack. Be it "basic attack" or using attack that normally costs SP, when you can't afford its cost, with a reduced effect.
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