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Post by starfixer on Jul 22, 2013 17:35:19 GMT -5
Can you make the different world powers and trading companies a bit closer together? I don't want to have to sail for 3 years to get to the other side of the world just to buy a permit or pardon or trade records for spy battles. Maybe you can have each trading company and world power appear at least once in each corner of the map. So in the top left corner where you start, even though it's almost all ruseland, at least there'd be one place that sailors of kaimer can go to increase their rep with them. And in spy battles, it'll be much easier to alternate record trading for spy battles to gain rep with both powers
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Post by Cory Trese on Jul 22, 2013 18:27:58 GMT -5
A big difference between AoP and ST, huh? Wait till the map is 6x36 instead of 6x6 =)
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Post by johndramey on Jul 22, 2013 19:04:58 GMT -5
Not to disagree with starfixer, but I actually enjoy the separation as it is right now. It lends much more of a... I dunno, national feel to the game? I mean, when I'm in Ruesland and friendly with them I feel quite safe, but if I move into Cadari waters I'm really taking a risk. I guess it encourages players to turtle up a bit if they want to play conservatively, but it makes each foray into non-friendly waters feel like a big choice. In ST I never really felt there was any real territory outside of the planetary square itself. In AoP I feel that each map segment is owned, more or less, by one faction. |
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Post by fallen on Jul 22, 2013 19:17:06 GMT -5
starfixer - the world is only going to get larger, and there are multiple factions whose cities will only appear on the second seas and beyond.
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Post by starfixer on Jul 22, 2013 19:41:09 GMT -5
A big difference between AoP and ST, huh? Wait till the map is 6x36 instead of 6x6 =) Well when you put it that way, the current distance doesn't seem so long... in that case, doing surveillance ( when you add such an option) and trading the records with the other power will be much harder considering the increased distance. Maybe the game can keep track of the journals that you made as well as which power you spied on. And if you sell journals to a world power in a spy battle and the journals were made from spying on the nation, you should get greater rep gains depending on the average distance from the factions. for example, Cadari and Ruseland are much closer than Ruseland and the federation and hence journals traded to Ruseland that were gotten from the federation should give more rep than if the journals were obtained from spying on Cadari, if Ruseland is on a spy battle with them. |
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Post by starfixer on Jul 22, 2013 19:42:40 GMT -5
starfixer - the world is only going to get larger, and there are multiple factions whose cities will only appear on the second seas and beyond. Now I know what you guys meant when you said it was different from ST.  |
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Post by fallen on Jul 22, 2013 21:50:58 GMT -5
starfixer - the intention was never to produce a clone  Great idea about the worth of spying records when taken to faraway and opposed nations! This is kind of close to our plans for specialized trade goods which can only be purchased from certain ports or factions and gain value depending on where you take them and how far.
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Post by starfixer on Jul 22, 2013 22:37:14 GMT -5
starfixer - the intention was never to produce a clone Great idea about the worth of spying records when taken to faraway and opposed nations! This is kind of close to our plans for specialized trade goods which can only be purchased from certain ports or factions and gain value depending on where you take them and how far. Oh wow that actually makes alot of sense! And it actually works well with my idea too. By the way, surveillence will be in AoP eventually right? |
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Post by grävling on Jul 22, 2013 23:08:03 GMT -5
The counter, and balancing act to the value of intelligence is that if I am, for instance, an Officer of Ruesland I care very, very much about what the Cadari are up to. The political realities on the other side of the globe -- ah, we are operating on a globe here, are we not -- aren't that crucial to my survival.
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Post by Cory Trese on Jul 22, 2013 23:41:34 GMT -5
Absolutely true. The collapse of the Octopon trading company is the direct result of the Gao Confederation Civil wars.
It is a globe and we intend to include many of the themes we found in our research into the histories and politics of the Age of Sail.
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Post by starfixer on Jul 23, 2013 0:02:20 GMT -5
Absolutely true. The collapse of the Octopon trading company is the direct result of the Gao Confederation Civil wars. It is a globe and we intend to include many of the themes we found in our research into the histories and politics of the Age of Sail. there were politics back then? I thought it was just if you were born into a certain family, you ruled. No democracy, no representation, no checks and balances, just monarchy. I mean there were revolts, but they were rare and normally unsuccessful. |
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Post by Lt. Hathaway on Jul 23, 2013 0:31:28 GMT -5
Politics is older than sailing, for sure. It dates back to the first time someone decided that always doing what the old bald Guy said was stupid, and thumped him on the head, and got a big jump the first time someone put two towns within walking distance.
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Post by grävling on Jul 23, 2013 0:52:36 GMT -5
As a practical matter, trade is making some people rich. This is a problem for you if you are part of the land-based aristocracy.
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Post by starfixer on Jul 23, 2013 15:53:33 GMT -5
The counter, and balancing act to the value of intelligence is that if I am, for instance, an Officer of Ruesland I care very, very much about what the Cadari are up to. The political realities on the other side of the globe -- ah, we are operating on a globe here, are we not -- aren't that crucial to my survival. Not true at all. America cares much more about what middle east and China is upto than what Canada is upto. Not saying distance increases importance, but it doesn't decrease it either. Besides, I was talking about spy battles. You're in a spy battle with a nation on the other side of the world, it's only natural your gonna pay more for records there than if youre in a spy battle with the nation next door, because there's more travel and labor involved, especially back then when there were no phones or technology and someone actually had to travel to someone to give them info |
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Post by Lt. Hathaway on Jul 23, 2013 17:06:45 GMT -5
During the Age of Sail, America spent huge amounts of money on Canadian defense, and almost nothing on the China trade, because the Canadians had invaded us, while the Chinese couldn't be bothered. There's a huge chain of fortresses along the US Canadian border. US Mexican border spending only caught up in the 80s. It wasn't until the Age of Steam that the US started interfering with China, and that was mostly messing with the Brits (Ur-Canadians.)
Now, with the whole nuclear missile thing, China's more important than Canada, but that's pretty new.
I love the idea of maps and journals growing in value over distance. You could make a strong argument for it in commercial terms.
(P.s. America's oldest existing treaty is with Morocco, and it's an anti-piracy treaty. In the Marine Fight song, "to the shores of Tripoli!" refers to how the US Navy and Marines got that treaty signed. )
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