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Post by En1gma on Jan 24, 2016 21:12:07 GMT -5
Again, respectfully, look at the author of this insanely biased Forbes article: "Alex Epstein is founder of the Center for Industrial Progress and author of The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels." How is this article in any way permissible? This is exact same issue I have with studies as inherently biased by the money that funds them. Looking further into exactly what his foundation ensconces I am more than comfortable dismissing this article entirely. www.desmogblog.com/center-industrial-progress
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Post by ntsheep on Jan 24, 2016 21:17:08 GMT -5
Ok guys, feel free to make as much fun of me as you want. I don't have enough hands for the face palming I need to do. All this talk about a TB con and it just dawned on me where I work at, a f$%^ing small convention hall bcfairgrounds.net/
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Post by xdesperado on Jan 24, 2016 21:17:43 GMT -5
Bottom line with environmental issues, much like any politically sensitive topic is that we need to keep open minds and do as much of our own research as possible. Not just buy into one group or individuals line without thought or question.
While majority of us aren't scientists with the means to do our own research we are intelligent individuals and looking at the information from multiple sources, who is presenting the information, where and how they compiled it, who financed it and seeing any potential biases and agendas for what they are.
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Post by xdesperado on Jan 24, 2016 21:34:16 GMT -5
Living in Oregon most of my life I've seen lots of environmental politics play out and far to often the results have come not to improve the common citizens quality of life or secure a better future for our descendants but because some special interest groups immediate agenda for profit and/or power.
A number of people I grew up around worked in the timber industry. Thanks to environmental lobbying many of them ended up out of work and lost homes and lands that had been in their families for generations.
Much like farmers in other parts of the US smaller family owned concerns have to a large part been pushed out in favor of large corporate operations.
Further advancements in science have shown that much of the earlier "issues" that drove a lot of the changes turned out to have been either grossly overstated or out right wrong.
Environmentalism tends to be similar to fad diets. Every year someone comes up with a new "hot issue" or what's really the problem and solution.
The earth is a complex system and while humanity definitely has an impact on it. But short of total global thermonuclear exchange our actions aren't going to seriously damage the earth long term.
Doesn't mean we should just keep dumping waste of whatever sort into the atmosphere and oceans, just means we can't give in to a sudden knee jerk reactionary policy shift either.
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Post by resistor on Jan 24, 2016 21:55:04 GMT -5
Again, respectfully, look at the author of this insanely biased Forbes article: "Alex Epstein is founder of the Center for Industrial Progress and author of The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels." How is this article in any way permissible? This is exact same issue I have with studies as inherently biased by the money that funds them. Looking further into exactly what his foundation ensconces I am more than comfortable dismissing this article entirely. www.desmogblog.com/center-industrial-progressI don't believe a person's arguments should be dismissed outright before listening to what they have to say, just because they could potentially make money from it. I believe an argument should only be dismissed if it has false premises, or has an impossible conclusion. I guess the way we examine the world is just different, and as long as that fact remains, I don't think I really have anything more to say about this subject.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Jan 24, 2016 21:59:42 GMT -5
Most tech, green or black/fossil, have both good and bad uses and limits. As a cost effective means of getting away from wood and coal burning in homes, which was pretty deadly with its particulates, fossil fuel tech was very good for the societies able to best use them. But that tech is ahem... burning itself out. So called "green" tech (besides benign plants as in vegetables, not manufacturing) has its problems too. E.g. solid and manufacturing wastes and byproducts unwanted etc. Still I'd generally take cleaner air with solid waste over highly mobile air and water wastes up to a point at least.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Jan 24, 2016 22:03:58 GMT -5
The earth is a complex system and while humanity definitely has an impact on it. But short of total global thermonuclear exchange our actions aren't going to seriously damage the earth long term. Doesn't mean we should just keep dumping waste of whatever sort into the atmosphere and oceans, just means we can't give in to a sudden knee jerk reactionary policy shift either. 1. Not effects on the earth no, but many, to most, of the particular species including, and in some cases especially, humans. The earth itself will be fine until we have attained death star tech. 2. I heartily agree with this.
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Post by xdesperado on Jan 24, 2016 22:20:55 GMT -5
So getting away from environment, any recommendations for a free/under $5 turn based strategy game either historical military or fantasy/sci-fi on steam?
Would settle for something as basic as a Risk type game though prefer a bit more complexity than that.
Years ago I spent lots of time re-fighting D-Day, Napolianic wars, Warhammer miniatures etc. Both table top and PC. Would love to do so again if possible.
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Post by ntsheep on Jan 24, 2016 22:43:53 GMT -5
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Jan 24, 2016 22:47:26 GMT -5
Scroll your way thru the 49cent to $5 strategy games with thumbs up..? Sorry just got steam for the first time ever today actually.
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Post by xdesperado on Jan 24, 2016 22:51:06 GMT -5
ntsheep thanks for link, looks interesting but not really a fan of RTS games, tend to like micro managing my stuff and with RTS games end up losing track of the bigger picture. I do have Sins of a Solar Empire which lets me play a RTS game at a more leisurely pace and not lose track but it's been a rare exception for me.
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Post by xdesperado on Jan 24, 2016 22:52:27 GMT -5
Yeah trying to figure out the Steam Store and how to sort it myself, reason I asked about recommendations lol.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Jan 24, 2016 23:03:37 GMT -5
Yeah trying to figure out the Steam Store and how to sort it myself, reason I asked about recommendations lol. Do you want single player games in the strategy section with WWI-WW2/3, fantasy or sci-fi themed? I'll look a bit for both of us... PS What OS?
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Jan 24, 2016 23:11:53 GMT -5
xdesperado Breach and Clear has good reviews, modern tactical combat, and is on sale for a couple bucks ($3.74) atm. Edit: Avernum: Escape From the Pit is currently $3 and is very highly rated if you want an isometric game a bit like HoS. To check things out yourself click "store" top left - then choose "featured" - scroll down. There will be an under $10 section on the right, and $5 button at the bottom of that section. You can then filter further by price and/or tags.
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Post by ntsheep on Jan 24, 2016 23:29:13 GMT -5
xdesperado. I have that game, an old dos copy I have to play through dosbox, it has some great combat to it if you decide to take over the sector by force. The minerals you mine can be used to build ships, missiles, starbases, and you can turn the asteroids your on into mobile planets and move the whole thing around to blow away the competition. Very good tutorial helps you get set up pretty quickly. Check this one out also, it's not on Steam but is very fun. It's an RTS also but has RPG elements to it in the fact that your unit gain exp to increase their fighting ability. I'll keep an eye out for anything that may float your boat. Just have fun looking through the Specials section on Steam. You can get great deals that way. wz2100.net/P.S. one thing I forgot to mention about Fragile Allegiance is you can hire in game managers to run your colonies for you so you don't have to worry about to much micro management. Just be careful when you fire some of them, they don't take the lose of a job very well
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