athios
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Post by athios on Jun 24, 2016 0:10:00 GMT -5
But if Steel Song are like the Jedi, then that means there will always be one last one left on some remote planet, who will then repopulate the entire clan, and we'll never be rid of them. I'm really leaning towards Three-eyed Metalbeard's plan to build relations with the Alien and have them exterminate Steel Song instead. And Rychart. Don't forget about Rychart.
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Post by resistor on Jun 24, 2016 0:18:45 GMT -5
But if Steel Song are like the Jedi, then that means there will always be one last one left on some remote planet, who will then repopulate the entire clan, and we'll never be rid of them. I'm really leaning towards Three-eyed Metalbeard's plan to build relations with the Alien and have them exterminate Steel Song instead. And Rychart. Don't forget about Rychart. I will report this to the Templars if you forget about Rychart. |
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Post by redartrats on Jun 25, 2016 15:58:18 GMT -5
All you have to do is to elect a Terrox terror captain to the Syndicate board of directors, and Rychart will be history. (Of course, so will the other syndicates, and possibly the rest of humankind, but hey, what's a little collateral for eliminating an unwanted Faction, right?  ) |
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Post by resistor on Jun 25, 2016 16:20:17 GMT -5
All you have to do is to elect a Terrox terror captain to the Syndicate board of directors, and Rychart will be history. (Of course, so will the other syndicates, and possibly the rest of humankind, but hey, what's a little collateral for eliminating an unwanted Faction, right? ) But... terror aliens have no captain! We'll have to settle for a horror, devour, or flayer type. Or maybe the terror aliens don't have captains because all their captains are already inside and leading Syndicate Rychart. That would explain a lot, like their aversion to direct confrontation, and their obsession with hats (they're disguises). |
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Post by redartrats on Jun 26, 2016 0:10:12 GMT -5
Hmmm... is that why sometimes I seem to spy a tentacle or two protruding out from underneath a Rychart captain's hat? I thought they just had a thing for marine-themed jewellery, but now that you mention it, perhaps it's something else... |
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Post by resistor on Jun 26, 2016 0:36:14 GMT -5
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Post by slayernz on Jun 26, 2016 17:45:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't compare Steel Song to the Jedi. If anything, I'd compare them to the Vogons.
The biggest difference between Steel Song and Vogons are that Vogon ships are huge blocks of metal and concrete - very inefficient and brick like, but like a brick, would go through a house window without much effort. Steel Song ships, in contrast, are like very large cardboard boxes made out of ... well cardboard. The only non-cardboard parts are the catapults mounted for launching teapots. In recent generations of Steel Song ships, additional cling wrap was observed. I guess that helps a little with the void of deep space.
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Post by redartrats on Jun 28, 2016 18:33:17 GMT -5
One thing that both annoys me and pleases me is that in the grand scheme of Quadrant politics and trade, Steel Song is so... irrelevant. Besides Xeen Prime, all their planets are tucked away in obscure corners of the Quadrant, and for the most part you could just ignore them completely. And even Xeen Prime lies at the far end of the upper left corner of the Quadrant, at the edge of where stuff really happens. Sure their ships show up every now and then outside their middle-of-nowhere turf, but you could just ignore them and nobody would care. Got bad rep with Steel Song? No problem, you're unlikely to actually run into them anyway along the major trade routes. And even when you do find yourself in the middle of nowhere near a Steel Song planet, there's always indy planets nearby that serve as a better stopover anyway. If you have to use a faction as scapegoat to climb the rep ladder in the Quadrant, I recommend dumping the negative rep on Steel Song. Nobody else cares anyway.
So who gave them control of 1/6 of Faction politics in the Quadrant?!?!
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Post by athios on Jun 29, 2016 14:25:49 GMT -5
In recent generations of Steel Song ships, additional cling wrap was observed. I guess that helps a little with the void of deep space. I always assumed that that was their version of Solar Sails. So who gave them control of 1/6 of Faction politics in the Quadrant?!?! They probably clawed their way in by means of all the assassinations that they contract out. |
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Post by slayernz on Jun 29, 2016 17:34:30 GMT -5
One thing that both annoys me and pleases me is that in the grand scheme of Quadrant politics and trade, Steel Song is so... irrelevant. Besides Xeen Prime, all their planets are tucked away in obscure corners of the Quadrant, and for the most part you could just ignore them completely. And even Xeen Prime lies at the far end of the upper left corner of the Quadrant, at the edge of where stuff really happens. Sure their ships show up every now and then outside their middle-of-nowhere turf, but you could just ignore them and nobody would care. Got bad rep with Steel Song? No problem, you're unlikely to actually run into them anyway along the major trade routes. And even when you do find yourself in the middle of nowhere near a Steel Song planet, there's always indy planets nearby that serve as a better stopover anyway. If you have to use a faction as scapegoat to climb the rep ladder in the Quadrant, I recommend dumping the negative rep on Steel Song. Nobody else cares anyway. So who gave them control of 1/6 of Faction politics in the Quadrant?!?! On the free map, Steel Song are exactly bottom-left and top-right of the map. Kept well out of the way of the important houses. Even in the full Elite Map, I agree, they have insignificant footholds in the quadrant, and in almost all cases, you can avoid them with ease* Why are they part of the great 6 factions? First of all, a long time ago (back before the exodus, they were a very strong military house. Back then, ironically, they supplied the best steel in the quadrant, and produced mighty military ships. They were a force to be reckoned with, and few other factions bar the mighty Cadar could withstand them (now very few factions can stand them). During the great exodus, Steel Song provided the necessary protection to help the fragments of the fragments of humanity to survive the first Xeno onslaughts. Thus, Steel Song earned their right to sit at the big table. Times change, but traditions remain. There are still six factions in the quadrant - but let's face it, Steel Song and Rychart are routinely derided for their inability to do anything but produce good cling wrap and headware. However even Thulun, with their strong penchant for heavy lace rely on the textile factories of Rychart, and merchants always have strong demand with the fashionable Devaltos customers. Javat produce the best raw materials, and Cadar blow up the most things. Even though Steel Song are a remnant of their former self, they do have their place in the mechanisms of the galaxy. Like Rychart producing quality fabrics that keep the economic wheels of Devaltos and Thulun turning, Steel Song produce something that keeps the economy of Cadar alive. That is - if Steel Song ceased to exist, far less Cadari torps would need to be manufactured, putting into jeopardy the Torp manufacturing industry, worth trillions. No, even I, staunchest of those who hate of the Song understand that they are a necessary evil. Or evil necessarily. Or incessantly evil? *although why would you? You know that it is your job ... nay, your DUTY to seek out and purge the galaxy of Steel Song vermin. We work so hard to squash them out of existence. It is sad that some generations past, they bred with ratkin, and ratkin produce litters as frequently as you and I brush our teeth. Oh incidentally, I've heard that Steel Songers don't bother brushing their teeth - due to the oversized rat teeth that have grown into their jaw bone. |
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Post by redartrats on Jun 29, 2016 19:13:22 GMT -5
Haha Rychart... if it weren't for the fact that they happen to have planets conveniently located along the diagonal green route from NW to SE corners in the Quadrant, I'd say they are pretty anemic. I played a Rychart bounty hunter once... and regretted it, because Rychart contracts (well, *useful* ones) are so rare that I might as well be unemployed. They also hardly have any useful rumors to pass around in spite of having the best spice dens. I suppose their abundance of spice has gotten into the heads of would-be informers, so they rather just clam up and douse their sorrows in spice instead of speaking up and actually offering useful information. The only thing keeping Rychart relevant IMNSHO is their oh-so-conveniently located planets along said diagonal route across the Quadrant... until they get embroiled in an embargo, of course. Then they become the biggest annoyance to said trade route because you can't do anything with them until the embargo is over. Fortunately, there are some good indy worlds nearby that serve as alternative refuelling stops, otherwise my less savory Captains would be tempted to mark Rychart up as a "kill-all-ships-indiscriminately" target. |
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Post by Darth Cthoras on Jun 30, 2016 0:00:32 GMT -5
redartrats Eh, my Captains tend to put everyone, Indy included, on the kill-indiscriminately-unless-allied-with-Cadar list. We shall reign supreme, and our torps shall rain eternal, a sun-blocking hail of explosive misery.
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Post by redartrats on Jun 30, 2016 16:06:47 GMT -5
Darth Cthoras Funny, my first successful captain (i.e., that made it past early game) was an anti-Cadar zealot, because early on they offended him by having one too many Cadar pirate ships try to shoot him down while he was still growing his proverbial space legs. That offense made him decide to use Cadar as the scapegoat for climbing the rep ladder in the Quadrant, so he began to adopt a policy of "if it's a Cadar ship, shoot it down; if it's a Cadar planet, blackmail it (aka blockade)". As well as "if Faction X is embargoed by Cadar, trade with it". Life became a lot easier once a chosen enemy Faction serves as a sink for negative rep. (Though having said that, this captain was in my early days before I realized that different factions offer different kinds of ships, and that Cadar ships are nothing to sneeze at. Case in point: my current bounty hunter captain on Crazy difficulty is Cadari. Though his rep with Cadar is actually rather low compared to other Factions, and his current ship was bought from Javat.)
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Post by Cory Trese on Jul 5, 2016 17:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by Darth Cthoras on Jul 10, 2016 16:30:36 GMT -5
I'll consider it when it hits GoG. Steam can shove their crappy, -required- 'client', along with their forced updates and DRM*, into the Xeno-spewing void where their souls used to be. On a mildly related note, I do have it for Droid. Is it possible / feasible to do Battleforce as a solo templar? Team aspect drives me mad. * I have a deep hatred of the fact that Steam demands the client be running, the fact that they keep updating my games even when I disable auto updating, the fact they won't let me play a variety of games unless I let them update, and the fact said updates keep breaking my save games and mods by forcing patch installs atop a modded game. The sole cure I've discovered for all this is to run Steam only in Offline mode, or unplug my internet. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO KRIFFING DO THAT!💢💢💢 |
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