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Post by mlw on Dec 20, 2016 5:43:53 GMT -5
Hi, I would like to get some opinions on how to build Fyona's 2 attacking talents. I already have SC and HS to max. I want to level both ZS and Reckoning to max eventually. They are both level 1 at the moment. But I am dithering whether to max level ZS first or Reckoning first. Or maybe level both equally 1 to 1. It's unlikely I can do both by the end of the current content, and I keep changing my mind as to which one to go for first. To all experienced Fyona players, any comments or advice will be great.
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Post by matrim on Dec 20, 2016 5:46:20 GMT -5
ZS for sure IMO. It adds its effect across everything you do. Reckoning at level 1 is amazing value, AoE, AP curse. Little is added by levelling it.
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Post by mlw on Dec 20, 2016 6:42:15 GMT -5
ZS 10 = +14 Accuracy. +30 Dmg. Buff +7 Accuracy. +54 Holy Dmg. Reckoning 10 = +12 Accuracy. +80 Holy Dmg. Target -2 AP. -54 Damage. -8 Parry.
ZS 10 has the buff attack and can use it for normal attacks afterwards and save on SP. The 2nd ZS will give +21 acc, 30 dmg, 54 holy dmg.
But Reckoning 10's curse gives -2AP, -54 dmg and -8 parry to upto 5 targets as well as having 80 holy dmg.
Half and Half ZS 5 then Reckoning 5 gives 11 acc, 60 holy dmg along with the curse of -1ap, -30 dmg.
To me it's a choice going full max ZS or max Reckoning.
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Post by crimsonking on Dec 20, 2016 14:04:32 GMT -5
Reckoning 10 is powerful, but it also depends on which other ways you have to debuff AP and how you fare in terms of accuracy. Do you need the -2AP and -8 parry? If not, Reckoning 1 is enough. In terms of accuracy and damage both are about equal after the first hit. ZS adds 30 Dmg + 54 Holy Dmg and 7 Accuracy, Reckoning adds 80 Holy Dmg and curses parry.
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Post by achilles73 on Dec 30, 2016 20:16:46 GMT -5
If you had both Kincaid and hybrid Selen main-tanking, would you still give Fyona a shield or give her a 2H? I am leaning toward the shield option, because she would still be in melee range and thus subject to more attacks than a pure ranged character. Am I wrong?
Also, not strictly Fyona question, but: Would you give Kincaid 2 1 AP weapons if you run both Fyona's Strikening and Vincent's Thunder Blade/Elemental Storm maxed?
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Dec 30, 2016 20:30:11 GMT -5
If you had both Kincaid and hybrid Selen main-tanking, would you still give Fyona a shield or give her a 2H? I am leaning toward the shield option, because she would still be in melee range and thus subject to more attacks than a pure ranged character. Am I wrong? Also, not strictly Fyona question, but: Would you give Kincaid 2 1 AP weapons if you run both Fyona's Strikening and Vincent's Thunder Blade/Elemental Storm maxed? Generally speaking, so far as the contents of the current game, the more dmg gear and types of dmg utilized (such as with strickening) the more the extra attacks from 1ap are preferred. So shield and 2ap 1h for a late game electrickening Fyona. I do however think the plan for end game by the brothers is that 2ap plus is wanted, so maybe they plan on enough res and armor on enemies to weaken that strategy for the last chunk of ep 4 content... But not so far.
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Post by achilles73 on Dec 30, 2016 20:36:01 GMT -5
If you had both Kincaid and hybrid Selen main-tanking, would you still give Fyona a shield or give her a 2H? I am leaning toward the shield option, because she would still be in melee range and thus subject to more attacks than a pure ranged character. Am I wrong? Also, not strictly Fyona question, but: Would you give Kincaid 2 1 AP weapons if you run both Fyona's Strikening and Vincent's Thunder Blade/Elemental Storm maxed? Generally speaking, so far as the contents of the current game, the more dmg gear and types of dmg utilized (such as with strickening) the more the extra attacks from 1ap are preferred. So shield and 2ap 1h for a late game electrickening Fyona. I do however think the plan for end game by the brothers is that 2ap plus is wanted, so maybe they plan on enough res and armor on enemies to weaken that strategy for the last chunk of ep 4 content... But not so far. I see. So giving Fyona a 2H weapon would make little sense even from a damage perspective if you have Strickening/Thunder Blades/Elemental Storm all together!
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Post by En1gma on Dec 30, 2016 20:48:57 GMT -5
The entire point of using Kincaid (for electrickening) is having dual 1ap attacks that deal 2ap damage or higher, thus maximizing the amount of damage that can be done in a turn.
Fyona can use anything she wants for this build. Honestly I like her as a heavy striker for this setup, coming in to bitch smack with a 3ap Hammer Reck entire groups of enemies.
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Post by En1gma on Dec 30, 2016 20:54:41 GMT -5
My reasoning on this is that Kincaid and Selen will be dealing tons of damage on their own, but will still have issues with heavy armor mobs. Once everything is debuffed, Fyona can come in and drop the bass.
She also won't be on the front lines of the battle, so she can afford to use a 2h weapon as she doesn't really need the defense.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Dec 31, 2016 1:50:41 GMT -5
Magical dmg, and dmg dice over the base for physical get added every attack and so scale really well with more attacks. Higher ap attacks do better base dmg usually and now gain extra crit dmg potential.
There is definitely a give and take based upon party build vs enemy's armor and res, how much sp you have to burn on many attacks etc.
Still, maxed elemental/holy dmg builds getting those dmg dice every attack, especially when res is well cursed, melts enemies fastest with the most attacks per turn for the most part. Same is true of physical attacks if lots of dmg gear, high dmg empowered attacks and armor cursing is used, only less so since it's only one dmg type.
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Post by mlw on Dec 31, 2016 3:04:48 GMT -5
If you had both Kincaid and hybrid Selen main-tanking, would you still give Fyona a shield or give her a 2H? I am leaning toward the shield option, because she would still be in melee range and thus subject to more attacks than a pure ranged character. Am I wrong? Also, not strictly Fyona question, but: Would you give Kincaid 2 1 AP weapons if you run both Fyona's Strikening and Vincent's Thunder Blade/Elemental Storm maxed? I usually go with the shield and 1H weapon option because I use her mainly for the AOE Reckoning talent dealing -ap and leave the high damage attacks to others. Also, I find without a shield, she doesn't have enough defense, especially against those ranged highly accurate mobs. I sometimes switch to a 2H weapon mid battle against some really high armoured enemies. For Kincaid, I've tried both 2x1ap and 1ap blade+TK, and it depends on the other characters build. With strickening and Vincent's Energy Storm, I use 1ap+TK with lots of elemental gears. You get upto 7 attacks and with AOE it pretty much finishes the battle very quickly.
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Post by achilles73 on Dec 31, 2016 10:15:41 GMT -5
If you had both Kincaid and hybrid Selen main-tanking, would you still give Fyona a shield or give her a 2H? I am leaning toward the shield option, because she would still be in melee range and thus subject to more attacks than a pure ranged character. Am I wrong? Also, not strictly Fyona question, but: Would you give Kincaid 2 1 AP weapons if you run both Fyona's Strikening and Vincent's Thunder Blade/Elemental Storm maxed? I usually go with the shield and 1H weapon option because I use her mainly for the AOE Reckoning talent dealing -ap and leave the high damage attacks to others. Also, I find without a shield, she doesn't have enough defense, especially against those ranged highly accurate mobs. I sometimes switch to a 2H weapon mid battle against some really high armoured enemies. For Kincaid, I've tried both 2x1ap and 1ap blade+TK, and it depends on the other characters build. With strickening and Vincent's Energy Storm, I use 1ap+TK with lots of elemental gears. You get upto 7 attacks and with AOE it pretty much finishes the battle very quickly. Thanks. Two follow-up questions: 1. Do you use Fyona as a tank or do you have others do it? Who do you run with her? 2. Can you post roughly how you build Fyona - at least the talents (and their level) and attributes? Thanks in advance!
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