Attributes and professions

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Fixed bad weapon values & prices!

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Feb 6, 2017 3:27:15 GMT -5 grävling said:

On the captain creation screen the back button overlaps the E selection so you cannot read the text in there very well. There is a difference between what the 'pick A B C D E' screen says you will get and what you get when you select a priority.

Attributes:

E: Min 5; Max 26; 30 points to spend -- but the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 10 attribute base'. Looks like the real base is 5.
D: Min 8; Max 26; 28 points to spend -- but the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 10 attribute base'. Looks like the real base is 8.
C: Min 12, Max 26; 28 points to spend -- the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 12 attribute base'. Looks like that is what we get.
B: Min 14, Max 26, 30 points to spend -- the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 14 attribute base'. Looks like that is what we get.
A: Min 14, Max 26, 50 points to spend -- the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 14 attribute base'. Looks like that is what we get.

Okay then, I cannot see that a base is any different than a min, and all maxes are 26. From a players point of view, the only difference that we are making with our selections is a) the minimums, and b) the points to spend. Lots of weird other calculations may be going on behind the scenes, where we cannot see it, but from our point of view, if the difference is not visible to us, then it's not real to us either. So if 'base stat' means something different than 'min', something we should really care about, then the UI is not showing it to us.

Was the intent for D that the screen would open with a set of sliders all initially configured at position 10, but I could slide any of them down to 8 if I wanted? Otherwise, I am just confused.

20 more points to spend is one heck of a jump between A and B, especially when all the other jumps are precisely an order of magnitude smaller, with 2 points. Another way to think of this is that you get an extra 2/3 of your B value if you make Attributes A. This profound difference means that I cannot imagine ever deciding that B was the right spot for attributes.

It feels odd for E to have more points to spend than D or C, indeed the same amount as B. My expectation is that min and amount to spend (and base, if that actually means something) would be such for each values A >= B >= C >= D >= E

We missed this one before. Now taken #3403 to fix!

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Was the intent that D opens with sliders as 10 but you could shove any of them to 8 if you wished?

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Feb 8, 2017 1:58:11 GMT -5 grävling said:

Was the intent that D opens with sliders as 10 but you could shove any of them to 8 if you wished?

I don't think so, but I haven't taken the time to dig thru the design doc yet, just opened the bug report so we know we will get to it eventually

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Feb 6, 2017 3:27:15 GMT -5 grävling said:

On the captain creation screen the back button overlaps the E selection so you cannot read the text in there very well. There is a difference between what the 'pick A B C D E' screen says you will get and what you get when you select a priority.

Attributes:

E: Min 5; Max 26; 30 points to spend -- but the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 10 attribute base'. Looks like the real base is 5.
D: Min 8; Max 26; 28 points to spend -- but the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 10 attribute base'. Looks like the real base is 8.
C: Min 12, Max 26; 28 points to spend -- the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 12 attribute base'. Looks like that is what we get.
B: Min 14, Max 26, 30 points to spend -- the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 14 attribute base'. Looks like that is what we get.
A: Min 14, Max 26, 50 points to spend -- the ABCDE screen says: 'added to 14 attribute base'. Looks like that is what we get.

Okay then, I cannot see that a base is any different than a min, and all maxes are 26. From a players point of view, the only difference that we are making with our selections is a) the minimums, and b) the points to spend. Lots of weird other calculations may be going on behind the scenes, where we cannot see it, but from our point of view, if the difference is not visible to us, then it's not real to us either. So if 'base stat' means something different than 'min', something we should really care about, then the UI is not showing it to us.

Was the intent for D that the screen would open with a set of sliders all initially configured at position 10, but I could slide any of them down to 8 if I wanted? Otherwise, I am just confused.

20 more points to spend is one heck of a jump between A and B, especially when all the other jumps are precisely an order of magnitude smaller, with 2 points. Another way to think of this is that you get an extra 2/3 of your B value if you make Attributes A. This profound difference means that I cannot imagine ever deciding that B was the right spot for attributes.

It feels odd for E to have more points to spend than D or C, indeed the same amount as B. My expectation is that min and amount to spend (and base, if that actually means something) would be such for each values A >= B >= C >= D >= E

Fixed #3403 which closes out all of these mismatches in text and values.

E: Min 8; Pool of 15 (total 60 pts)
D: Min 8; Pool of 28 (total 76 pts, +15 pt gain)
C: Min 12, Pool of 30 (total 102 pts, +26 pt gain)
B: Min 14, Pool of 38 (total 122 pts, +20 pt gain)
A: Min 14, Pool of 52 (total 136 pts, +14 pt gain)

In future updates, we may bring down / raise up the maximum of 26 to give additional benefit to higher placed Attributes in ABCDE.