Arts and Crafts

[matrim]

fallen Looking at the armour after the crafting screen showed the stealth penalty still in effect but the evasion penalty was gone. I equipped it and it did not show up on the character sheet either.

[phaze]

Hmm...cracked open an old Ep 4 party to test late game crafting.


My one shield test make sense to me. Sp and sp drain item went in and out came an enhanced shield that matches.

Crafted 4 throwing knives though and am confused by the results as I got the same result despite different very different tuning items each time. I don't think I quite understand the varieties available in crafting yet. This was not intuitive. Tried damages and crit, crit and sp, parry and dodge, and a multistat boot. Each time the knife came out with lit damage, 1 move pt, and minor crit dam. The move is nice but not what I wanted given only the boots had move.

Any thoughts?

The shield was similar to what I crafted in boost-in tests, so I thought the varieties maybe similar. In my boost in test, I was able to craft a parry dodge throwing knife with crit. Would love to know how to get other varieties without wasting a ton of bloodstones.

[fallen]

phaze - one thing mentioned in another thread, +Dmg and +Accuracy never have any effect for weapons. Non of the crafting weapon results have them.

I've made some improvements to the tuning algorithm for the next update.

[phaze]

But the crit chance and sp drain would, yes?

It so happens that crit, sp drain, and damage are frequently associated on items.

With a late game party, we typically typically sold many items from that were of the one attribute type making tuning difficult. Newer parties would do well to save more items for tuning.

[fallen]

phaze - yes, any effect that shows up on a weapon will be useful (SP Drain, Crit %). I was just noting that none of the crafting results have any +Dmg or +Accuracy, so they will have 0% effect on tuning. As would +Armor or +Security -- no results have these stats, so it won't have an effect (good or bad).

Agreed -- having sold everything makes tuning harder, as late game items have lots of effects usually.

I am working on an update here that will improve the tuning algorithm.

[matrim]

phaze I'm finding that a lot of the varieties of crafting for items come in the form of elemental damage. The knives that you crafted are lightning damage (I got the same ones), now try throwing in some ice damage or fire damage tuning item (while avoiding mp and crit damage %) and see what happens. Some trends I am finding is fire and lightning tend to be tuned for offense and ice tends to be tuned for defense/stealth. I haven't made an earth dagger yet and only 1 holy one so I am not sure if the trend continues.

i did some crafts and did a fire version of the flash knives. Results

[fallen]

Wow, nice item. I misread +78% Crit Dmg as +78% Crit and fell out of my chair

Yes, elemental damage is very common in crafted results. And there are definitely themes worked in by elemental type as well as weapon type. For example, hammers are more prone to Holy Dmg.

[phaze]

Thanks.

I did 13 crafts with a party in Ep 4. Some good results. Overall, I think I have a sense of tuning. The shields, bows, and 1 ap swords worked as expected. Throwing knives were tougher in comparison to what I crafted with boost-in groups. I really wanted a throwing knife with added parry and or dodge or sp drain on the Flashknives. No luck. Though I also crafted a Vrotta spine that came out with 8% critical and 4% sp drain which was very nice.

I'll have to upload some photos of the results.

What is really needed is a log of items and tuning items to give people a sense of output.

[fallen]

phaze - would the answer there just to be to display the tuning item next to the crafted item? At least then you could screenshot easily.

Due to the 4 year old saved game format, there is no way that we can store a log of item + tuner = crafted.

[wascalwywabbit]

Did a couple boost-in tests, went random just to see items. Forgot to check dmg on some... edit: added more... edit 2 added a sample of weapons beyond boost-in...


...weapons...

...light blades...

Scything Dagger:
1ap, 15-23 dmg, 3 acc, 4 parry, +10 fire, 6% crit, +3 dodge, 4% sp drain.
1ap, 21-35 dmg, 3 acc, 3 parry, +1 mp, +10 ice, 3% crit, 10% crit dmg, +4 parry, +6 stealth.

Sai Sword:
1ap, 21-26 dmg, 4 acc, 4 parry, +6 fire, +6 holy, +6 ice, +10 lit, 3% sp drain.
1ap, 27-32 dmg, 3 acc, 4 parry, +10 ice, +5 dodge, 4% sp drain.
1ap, 21-26 dmg, 4 acc, 4 parry, +10 fire, +10 earth, 4% sp drain.

Scything Blade:
1ap, 5 acc, 1 parry, +12 fire, 5% crit, +3 parry, +3 dodge, 5% sp drain.

Hilted Long Blade:
2ap, 2 acc, 6 parry, +10 ice, 2% crit, +5 dodge, +4 stealth, 2% sp drain.
2ap, 2 acc, 7 parry, +4 fire, +4 holy, +4 ice, +10 lit, 2% crit, 12% crit dmg.

Keen Tulwar:
1ap, 39-56 dmg, 7 acc, 8 parry, +100 hp. +22 lit, +30% crit dmg.


...1h str...

Heavy Sabre:
2ap, 25-44, 3 acc, 5 parry, +80 hp, +80 sp, + 10 lit, 12% crit dmg, 2% sp drain.

Cross Blade:
2ap, 27-53 dmg, 3 acc, 4 parry, +10 lit, +16% crit dmg, 4% sp.
2ap, 31-55 dmg, 3 acc, 5 parry, +120 sp, +10 fire, +20% crit dmg.

Flambard Blade:
3ap, 67-158 dmg, 9 acc, 9 parry, 1 mp, +140 hp, +22 ice, 4% crit, +6 stealth.

Pit Barb:
2ap, 31-44 dmg, 3 acc, 5 parry, +10 lit, +3 parry, +3 dodge, 2% sp drain.

Light Spear:
2ap, 31-41 dmg, 4 acc, 3 parry, +10 lit, 4% crit, +12 all res, 4% sp drain.
2ap, 25-35 dmg, 5 acc, 3 parry, +10 fire, +10 holy, 3% crit, 4% sp drain.

Spear:
2ap, 25-42 dmg, 6 acc, 4 parry, +10 fire, +10 lit, 4% crit, 20% crit dmg.

Serrated Spear:
2ap, 65-92 dmg, 8 acc, 9 parry, +22 fire, +10 earth, 5% crit, +40% crit dmg.

Spiked Mace:
2ap, 39-59 dmg, +80 sp, +10 ice, +8 lit, 3% crit, 4% sp drain.

Flanged Mace:
2ap, 40-60 dmg, 4 acc, 2 parry, +90 sp, +10 ice, +8 earth, 3% crit, 4% sp drain.
2ap, 36-59 dmg, 5 acc, 2 parry, +80 hp, +10 holy, +10 lit, +14% crit dmg.


...2h str...

Falchion:
3ap, 33-66 dmg, 4 acc, 5 parry, +10 fire, +6 holy, +6 ice, +6 lit, +6 earth, 4% sp drain.

Claymore:
3ap, 34-73 dmg, 5 acc, 5 parry, +10 lit, 2% crit, +4 dodge, 4% sp drain.

Baron Blade:
3ap, 37-74 dmg, 6 acc, 5 parry, +1 mp, +10 lit, +32% crit dmg, +4% sp drain.

Fremat Dueler's Blade:
3ap, 79-154 dmg, 14 acc, 9 parry, +10 holy, +22 ice, 5% sp drain.

Runkah:
3ap, 43-70 dmg, 4 acc, 5 parry, +1 mp, +100 hp, +10 lit, +6 earth, 2% crit, +28% crit dmg.

Hooked Poleaxe:
3ap, 49-74 dmg, 7 acc, 4 parry, +1 mp, +100 hp, +10 fire, 4% crit, +2% sp drain.

Kallasian Glaive:
4ap, 93-202 dmg, 13 acc, 10 parry, +120 hp, +120 sp, +22 lit, 4% crit, 6% sp drain.

Infantry Maul:
3ap, 35-79 dmg, 4 acc, 2 parry, +80 hp, +10 lit, 4% crit, +24% crit dmg.

Flail:
3ap, 47-82 dmg, 6 acc, 2 parry, +140 hp, +10 fire, 3% crit, +4 dodge, 4% sp drain.
3ap, 41-84 dmg, 5 acc, 2 parry, +80 sp, +12 holy, +10 lit, 3% crit, +12 all res, 4% sp drain.

Great Hammer:
3ap, 48-91 dmg, 5 acc, 2 parry, +80 hp, +10 lit, 4% crit, 4% sp drain.

Breach Hammer:
3ap, 119-175 dmg, 9 acc, 4 parry, +22 ice, +120% crit, +4 dodge.


...throwing knives...

Flat Knives:
2ap, 15-24 dmg, 6 acc, 2 parry, +1 mp, +10 ice, 3% crit, +3 stealth, 4% sp drain.

Throwing Knives:
1ap, 12-35 dmg, 6 acc, 2 parr, 3 range, +1 mp, +ice, +8 earth, 4% crit, +4 stealth.

Flash Knives:
1ap, 45-84 dmg, 11 acc, 4 parry, 3 range, +22 ice, 5% crit, +5 stealth.

Flayer Spines:
2ap, 35-114 dmg, 12 acc, 4 parry, 4 range, +1 mp, +120 hp, +24 dmg, +74% crit dmg.


...bows...

Recurved Bow:
2ap, 16-45 dmg, 6 acc, +10 lit, +4 stealth, 4% sp drain.
2ap, 22-46 dmg, 6 acc, +80sp, +10 ice, 4% crit, +3 stealth, 4% sp drain.

Ashwood Bow:
2ap, 6 acc, +60 hp, +60 sp, +10 ice, +10 lit, 3% crit, +18% crit dmg.

Orcin Slayer:
2ap, 35-116 dmg, 11 acc, 6 range, +1 mp, +12 ice, +22 lit, 6% crit, +80% crit dmg.

Great Bow:
2ap, 37-120 dmg, 11 acc, 7 range, +120 sp, +22 lit, 7% crit, +4 stealth, 6% sp drain.

Striker Bow:
3ap, 71-130 dmg, 14 acc, 8 range, +140 hp, +16 ice, +16 lit, 7% crit, 6% sp drain.

Kiresh Bow:
3ap, 63-128 dmg, 20 acc, 8 range, +20 lit, 7% crit, +62% crit dmg, +8 stealth.


...shields...

Spiked Shield:
5 parry, 1 acc, 3% auto-block, +120 hp, +6 dmg, 2% crit, +14 all res.

Behemoth Shield:
12 parry, auto block 6%, +500 hp, 2% crit, +6 dodge.


...armor...

...light...

Boiled Cuirass:
25 armor, 3 parry, 3 dodge, +6 all elemental res.

Leather Skin:
28 armor, +100 hp, +8 holy, 2% crit, 3% sp drain.
28 armor, +1 mp, +10 lit, +10 all elemental res.

Leather Overcoat:
32 armor, +100 hp, +40 sp, +3% sp drain.

...stealth...

Bandits Garb:
16 armor, +30 hp, +2 parry, +4 dodge.

Stealth Sheathe:
22 armor, +50 hp, 2% crit, +2 parry, +4 dodge.
22 armor, +8 lit, 2% crit, +3 dodge, +10 all elemental res.

Armored overcoat:
25 armor, +8 ice, +10 all elemental res.
25 armor, +40 hp, +8 fire, +4 parry, +2 dodge.

...mage...

Traveler's Overcloak:
14 armor, +8 ice, +8 lit, +8 earth.

Quilted Overcloak:
20 armor, +100 hp, +10 ice, +10 lit.

[amongstshadows]

I've noticed something interesting. The spiked shield has 5 parry. I used a ring with +3 parry and +3 dodge to tune the shield. The shield doesn't have a +parry in yellow text, but the white text now reads 6 instead of 5. Does this mean that the innate bonuses that equipment has is counted as a bonus?

When crafting with armor that gives white text bonuses for evasion and stealth, those bonuses are removed on the final product.

So far shields have given me the best results. This will definitely help my shield focused vraes and fyona.

[wascalwywabbit]

So aside from the losing stats on armor, evasion, stealth etc...

What's up with the acc on the spiked shield..? A bug, or does it actually add acc, and will I potentially get more shields and armor with acc?

It looks to be super powerful already, able to outfit the party with 1-3 crafted items each in key areas of the game, but... is 2h getting noticeably outclassed again in everything but melee acc?

[phaze]

fallen I didn't mean an in-game log but was thinking about using this thread as a gathering place for a the basis of such a log.

Alas, in my eagerness for crafting I was not thorough in logging the exact tuning item. I may just do a write-up with as best I recall.

The shields and bows are among the most powerful crafts I've seen to date. The shields breath new life into Vraes/Kyera/Fyona though I haven't seen acc added yet, mostly HP or SP and dodge, drain, crit, and resists. I haven't tested 2-handed weapons yet and typically don't use them.

[fallen]

phaze - great to hear about the results with shields and bows.

The next update will include a visual of the tuning item on the result screen so you can get a single screensnap.

[achilles73]

Mar 15, 2017 3:01:22 GMT -5 phaze said:

Given the limited number of bloodstones, 28 I think with current content, crafting will work best if you can be happy with any variety upgrade and are not looking for 'that one killer item'. The limited bloodstones prevents endless testing in game...

Interestingly, the tuning item doesn't need to be high end but rather have specific stats. It is hard to predict the crafting outcome if you toss in an item with Multiple stats. In this case, saving accessories that have specific values is important.

I thought there would be a Bloodstones DLC of sorts? And I also thought most folks would be receptive to that.

In regard to tuning items: I am still totally confused about the crafting system. Can someone post which stat produces which stat?