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Post by grävling on Jan 7, 2012 17:51:31 GMT -5
grävling - are you playing a Cyber Sword? My current brutal character is a Cyber Sword, yes, but it doesn't matter what class I play, I still think the Yakuza Assassin outclasses anything that AzTek throws at me.
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Post by Cory Trese on Jan 7, 2012 18:18:53 GMT -5
well then we will have to take that assassin an make them work for corps instead
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Post by grävling on Jan 7, 2012 19:10:22 GMT -5
How nice for the Assassin. :-) And, actually, Yakashima has some very nasty blue suits that seem to be using heavy ammo. At any rate, despite the fact that I was wearing Jaguar Armour (ballistics 9 deflection 6) and have level 3 dermal sheathing +1 body, +2 ballistic, +2 deflection -- he gets off multiple shots which, if they land, do 5 points of damage. Ouch! Been killed on brutal twice that way, and there really seems to be nothing I can do about this, except 'don't roll so low'. Does your body stat effect how much damange a shot can do? If so, what is the formula?
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Post by Cory Trese on Jan 8, 2012 21:21:59 GMT -5
there is no point publishing all of the math no because it's all unfinished and debating it will only exhaust and demoralize me because it isn't using the stated and balanced rules including penetration and monster armor.
just like TA, CK will have the listed score calculations in the help file once the full rules are in place
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Post by grävling on Jan 8, 2012 21:29:57 GMT -5
ok, no problem then.
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Post by fela on Jan 9, 2012 4:28:01 GMT -5
grävling - are you playing a Cyber Sword? My current brutal character is a Cyber Sword, yes, but it doesn't matter what class I play, I still think the Yakuza Assassin outclasses anything that AzTek throws at me. I completely disagree. IMO the corp samurais are the worst opponents out there (apart from that artillery gun..) because they get 2 turns + AP for better shooting and have 8 HP. 5 range doesn't improve prospects. I can more or less reliably do 5-6 damage with a single attack, which leaves them standing to brutalize me with their high initiative next turn. And that is IF i can single out a samurai. Last i checked, Yakuza had 5 hp, which means if i can separate them, they die and i won't have to eat a retaliation.
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Post by blackgauntlet on Jan 9, 2012 4:47:50 GMT -5
Everyone's got their pet peeves.
As a (ex-)Gunslinger, my most hated enemies are drones. High MP with no weapons on me that could do shit to them that I could hit with. Yes, I have Taser units but I could not hit for nuts as I specialized in Firearms...
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Post by fela on Jan 9, 2012 4:54:47 GMT -5
I'm not getting it. Firearms and no weapons you could hurt them with? I usually kill them with Mk251 and stuff like that.
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Post by fallen on Jan 9, 2012 9:18:40 GMT -5
fela - on the Yakuza vs. Corp debate - I agree... the lower damage and lower AP (counter balanced by faster move) of the Yakuza is less dangerous to my gunslinger (relying on his trusty AutoMag) than the 8 HP, higher AP, multi-shot evils of the corp samurai. Still--we would like a clear transition of difficulty from streets to criminal to corp, so there is some more balancing work to do. Stay tuned. Most likely I will just draw some really hard new monsters and send them in to terrorize the NBZ =P
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Post by blackgauntlet on Jan 9, 2012 20:36:41 GMT -5
I'm not getting it. Firearms and no weapons you could hurt them with? I usually kill them with Mk251 and stuff like that. Oops! Fail... mixed up with my new (and recently killed in 126 turn) Cybersword. The Gunslinger was taken down by a pack of lowly hunds because of the newly kicked-in initiative system. The Cybersword was cut off from the his team-mates and raped by a pack of drones.
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Post by Cory Trese on Jan 9, 2012 23:57:08 GMT -5
the newest version does a much better job of support low XP characters I think
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Post by blackgauntlet on Jan 10, 2012 1:50:49 GMT -5
So, no more raping by drones? *whimper*
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