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Post by grävling on Feb 27, 2012 8:31:47 GMT -5
The Black Water Saloon is a place where you can get jobs working for BraveStar, from Sarge McCleary, even though it is in the Los V neighbourhood of Commonwealth. Does it make sense for the VIP lounge to be a Los V one? I expected it to be a BS one -- and wondered why I couldn't get in even with rep 50 for BS. Of course, it is because my rep is 0 with Los V. And, once I corrected this, I found myself in a Los V VIP lounge, which wasn't what I wanted, since I wanted to hire some martial artists and so need a BS VIP room. There are a few other places in the game where the jobs do not go to the faction that controls the neighbourhood, and they likely exhibit the same behaviour.
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Post by blackgauntlet on Feb 27, 2012 9:34:04 GMT -5
Actually, I personally like how there's some other factions acting right under the ruling faction's nose like an underground movement. Simply because that's how things sometimes work in real life. Like how a cop is actually a serial rapist, a drug dealer is actually an undercover agent, a hotel bellboy is actually a pimp... stuff like that.
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Post by grävling on Feb 27, 2012 10:15:04 GMT -5
yeah, but the consistancy-change I'm interested in isn't that the Connector change to connect for Los V, but that the VIP lounge be a BS one also.
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Post by fallen on Feb 27, 2012 11:48:57 GMT -5
grävling and blackgauntlet - I like both suggestions. The world is not a consistent, bordered place... factions spill out of their regions and into others. Old BraveStar faction members quit the force and find a place to set up a bar. Right now, things are relatively contained and there are not too many examples of this. I don't foresee us wanting to add too many, or the whole thing will become muddied. However, I also like @gravlings point that the building should be owned by BraveStar and not Los V, which means the Backroom is a BS hang-out and not Los V. Will resolve. Please point out other places where we have (or should have) these interesting inconsistencies.
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Post by grävling on Feb 27, 2012 12:01:32 GMT -5
Will resolve. Please point out other places where we have (or should have) these interesting inconsistencies. Oh cool, an exploration mission. Now as soon as my poor newbie runners walk off the job, I will get on it, so they don't get their innocent young heads blown off checking out things :-) |
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Post by grävling on Feb 27, 2012 18:40:49 GMT -5
I'm just listing the places where the Connector and the neighbourhood do not match.
Black Water Saloon has a BS Connector in a Los V district (Commonwealth). VIP room.
Devan's Bar has a BS Connector in a Yakashima district (Downtown). VIP room.
The Lion and the Harpy has a Streets Connector in a KH district (Back Bay Slums). No VIP room, but maybe it would be fun to add one.
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Post by LordofSyn on Feb 27, 2012 21:42:24 GMT -5
I like that Random-ness though.
No system can run unhampered, nor uninterrupted by Entropy and Chaos.
It has to be there, or the system will naturally break to accommodate.
Hence 'resistance' areas. Like any Ecosystem they might tip the balance...
In Summary: I know they are seen as 'bugs' and/or inconsistencies...but they also fit within the CyberPunk/Dystopia theme.
I know its Beta, but maybe all the 'bugs' don't need to be cleaned; and I say that as a writer. It adds flavor and character.
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Post by blackgauntlet on Feb 27, 2012 22:25:21 GMT -5
That's so true. For one thing, "missions".
Ever had to deliver a package to a friendly face living in a zone controlled by the very faction you are working against?
That's right. Vive la Resistance, comrades!
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Post by fallen on Feb 27, 2012 22:43:39 GMT -5
@los and blackgauntlet - we won't be scrubbing these out... From my opinion, the changes being discussed help them fit into the CyberPunk/Dystopia theme without confusing players. Let there be chaos. |
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Post by blackgauntlet on Feb 27, 2012 23:23:46 GMT -5
Hurrah!  |
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Post by Cory Trese on Feb 28, 2012 3:21:30 GMT -5
Some of them I like, some of them I don't. I think we should have a mix, but at the same time use the flexibility in the code (which did take a lot of work ... shops, people, buildings, back rooms, contacts all have there own faction ID and they interplay.)
So where Yakashima has a BS connector it might be changed to Yakuza or Streets ... hard to say.
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Post by grävling on Feb 28, 2012 3:39:48 GMT -5
I think the Blue Oxen should have a secret Connector, and maybe VIP lounge outside of the Narrows/East Narrows/Tobin St area.
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Post by grävling on Feb 28, 2012 3:42:24 GMT -5
I like that Random-ness though. No system can run unhampered, nor uninterrupted by Entropy and Chaos. It has to be there, or the system will naturally break to accommodate. Hence 'resistance' areas. Like any Ecosystem they might tip the balance... In Summary: I know they are seen as 'bugs' and/or inconsistencies...but they also fit within the CyberPunk/Dystopia theme. I know its Beta, but maybe all the 'bugs' don't need to be cleaned; and I say that as a writer. It adds flavor and character. I like the inconsistency of having a BS connector in Los V land. But I don't like the inconsistency of having a Los V VIP room in a place that is hosting BS connectors -- the loyal Los V gangers will report this, and Sarge Mc Cleary will get himself shot. |
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Post by absimiliard on Feb 28, 2012 10:19:22 GMT -5
I don't know Gravling. I just don't have a problem with either way.
I can easily tell myself a story about how Sgt. McCleary has friends in higher-up places of Los V and gets respect from anyone in his backroom. (supporting him v. backroom) Or I can tell myself stories about him having a backroom full of BS people which supports him and the backroom being the same. (though how the BS peeps get there is beyond me)
If I'm thinking it through logically it seems to me that all backrooms should be of the same faction as the sector they are in, and that connectors could be different. After all a backroom is mostly defined by it's occupants, and they need to get there and get home from there. So it makes a certain amount of sense to me that all backrooms really just reflect who has the rep in that zone to survive getting there, getting in, and getting home. So a back-room in Los V would need Los V rep to get into, have Los V patrons to talk to, and would more reflect the make-up of the clientelle than that of the owner of the bar.
For me the owner of the bar, the "connector" could more easily have his own loyalties. So McCleary might contract for BraveStar, but his bar in is Los V territory (for whatever reason) so his backroom is full of Los V folks.
Maybe that means some punks take a hit out on him, maybe he's got the respect in the 'hood that they don't. Could be good stories to be found in that complexity.
-abs
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Post by LordofSyn on Feb 28, 2012 12:07:35 GMT -5
its called suspension of disbelief
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