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Post by contributor on Oct 10, 2013 9:10:50 GMT -5
So I've finally made the big leap into CK and am working through the tutorial. One thing that seems confusing for a total noob (me) is that if you stick with Cava Saint he pretty quickly starts sending you on missions you can't complete to security and mega-corp land. On my second go at it, the first job he sent me on was to K Horizon to threaten somebody, which didn't work. Then up popped 4 drones, two tanks and couple of red guys on pogo sticks. Needless to say I didn't last long. On the other hand, somebody passed me a v-chip for Old Doc, a KH connector and he is giving me all sorts of jobs against LV and FN which are easy to complete and much more lucrative. I realize this may related to the specific conflicts in this game, but Cava definitely doesn't seem to be the way to ease into it. Old Doc is a much better connector.
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Post by grävling on Oct 10, 2013 13:41:02 GMT -5
The reason that Old Doc is being so nice to you now is that you have no rep with KH. When you get some he will start sending you to BS land. If you had 0 rep with the Fennians, Cava would send you to Los V and Streets as well. The problem is that you arrive in the NBZ with Fennian rep.
It occurs to me that I would like the game better if, when you arrived in the NBZ, your Fennian rep was reduced to 10 or 15. You'd get Cava's chip but couldn't use it until you have increased your rep. You could still get into the back rooms. King's chip would become available to you, assuming you did Cava's ladder, and the jobs would begin in the NBZ with gangland missions, things that wouldn't get you killed.
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Post by beuns on Oct 10, 2013 23:10:42 GMT -5
It occurs to me that I would like the game better if, when you arrived in the NBZ, your Fennian rep was reduced to 10 or 15. You'd get Cava's chip but couldn't use it until you have increased your rep. You could still get into the back rooms. King's chip would become available to you, assuming you did Cava's ladder, and the jobs would begin in the NBZ with gangland missions, things that wouldn't get you killed. I agree with that. Being actually less well treated in MnB than in sandbox by Fennians is somewhat...not cool. +1 grävling |
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Post by beuns on Oct 10, 2013 23:18:05 GMT -5
contributor : if I can give you some advice (with my little experience) it would be to stick to gangland for a time, put Cava aside for a little while, get some money/equipment/xp and when you feel ready get back to Cava. IMO you shouldn't go back to him until you can afford 2 allies (runners that you have pay with you xp to make them stick around permanently) and getting out of 2/3 of combats unharmed (that's not necessarily mean that you actually fight your opponents  ). Good luck 
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Post by grävling on Oct 10, 2013 23:25:09 GMT -5
I rarely do any jobs for Cava at all -- just if I happen to be in the neighbourhood where he wants a job. Cava doesn't care if you do his jobs or other Fennian jobs -- he just cares that your Fennian rep grows higher and higher.
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Post by beuns on Oct 10, 2013 23:46:02 GMT -5
I rarely do any jobs for Cava at all -- just if I happen to be in the neighbourhood where he wants a job. Cava doesn't care if you do his jobs or other Fennian jobs -- he just cares that your Fennian rep grows higher and higher. I agree with that too. But I just like his name so I give him a call from time to time in fact I phone him when I try to get a better rep with Fennians but I'm not satisfied with what the other connector have for me (I rarely do assassination jobs for example) |
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Post by grävling on Oct 11, 2013 2:41:06 GMT -5
Church of Saint Patrick in Southie is your best bet, then.
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Post by beuns on Oct 11, 2013 4:15:51 GMT -5
I use it a lot but I prefer the church of faith, fury and redemption for the name and the concept |
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Post by fallen on Oct 12, 2013 11:03:09 GMT -5
It occurs to me that I would like the game better if, when you arrived in the NBZ, your Fennian rep was reduced to 10 or 15. You'd get Cava's chip but couldn't use it until you have increased your rep. You could still get into the back rooms. King's chip would become available to you, assuming you did Cava's ladder, and the jobs would begin in the NBZ with gangland missions, things that wouldn't get you killed. I agree with that. Being actually less well treated in MnB than in sandbox by Fennians is somewhat...not cool. +1 grävlingAhhhhh, finally a solution I like! Thanks for suggesting this. Future MnB characters will emerge from the tunnels finding that their Fennian Rep just doesn't go as far as on the big streets of the NBZ and be reduced to 20 Rep. I have moved around the story events so this means you can get all but one gift from Cava's ladder (500 credits), so now King's V-Chip is back in the game. Thanks all! |
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Post by grävling on Oct 12, 2013 11:09:38 GMT -5
YIPPEE!
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Post by grävling on Oct 12, 2013 11:15:47 GMT -5
While you are at it, you might want to set a max for how much streets and los v hate the new NBZ knight. People who need lots of practice fighting can end up with hatred in the -150 to -200 range, which I think is a bit steep for new players.
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Post by beuns on Oct 12, 2013 11:24:36 GMT -5
While you are at it, you might want to set a max for how much streets and los v hate the new NBZ knight. People who need lots of practice fighting can end up with hatred in the -150 to -200 range, which I think is a bit steep for new players. I agree. As rep with Fennian goes down, rep with los V could go up. |
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Post by Alex Fury on Oct 12, 2013 16:46:56 GMT -5
While you are at it, you might want to set a max for how much streets and los v hate the new NBZ knight. People who need lots of practice fighting can end up with hatred in the -150 to -200 range, which I think is a bit steep for new players. THIS! |
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Post by fallen on Oct 14, 2013 9:15:59 GMT -5
Even better! Reputation normalization is in effect for the next release. contributor - to answer your original question, we are working on a job system re-write that would help do away with this kind of high inappropriate routing of jobs to places where you are no where near ready to go. |
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Post by contributor on Oct 14, 2013 11:54:10 GMT -5
Thanks, this a good example of the forum working well. Newbie asks questions from his perspective, which is very important because developers and pros can't see it. Pros can see what is actually happen and propose useful and realistic solutions, developers tweak and implement. Perfect.
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