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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 17:42:25 GMT -5
I had an escape shuttle installed on my ship. I was boarding aliens and my health was reduced to 2 so I surrendered because I know escape shuttle prevents execution. I end up getting a sign saying my wounds have proven fatal and I m dead. Furthurmore, when I pressed surrender, I think it gave me a warning that my shp may be lotted as opposed to saying that I wil be executed
I just lost a level 103 captain on impossible. Can someone tell me what the heck happened?
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Post by grävling on Aug 14, 2012 20:13:46 GMT -5
You lose 1 health when surrendering. Are you sure your health was 2 and not 1?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 21:38:02 GMT -5
You lose 1 health when surrendering. Are you sure your health was 2 and not 1? But it was aliens. They execute you. So you lose health AND you get executed?! |
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 14, 2012 22:29:09 GMT -5
The math here is pretty clear, I just double checked the code and ran the automated test scripts to validate. Looks like you lost the HP legitimately.
Besides, 103 on Impossible is a pretty darn good run@
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 23:11:37 GMT -5
The math here is pretty clear, I just double checked the code and ran the automated test scripts to validate. Looks like you lost the HP legitimately. Besides, 103 on Impossible is a pretty darn good run@ Can you explain how? I thought aliens only execute you, not harm you then execute you. And isn't it only one health you lose when surrendering? I thought I had 2 health. |
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 14, 2012 23:21:41 GMT -5
I'd need a LogCat to retrace your exact HP losses and explain how it reached zero.
The game's logic is that if your health reaches 0 (zero) or below then you die.
Star Traders contains 95 different ways for your HP to be reduced and one way for it to be increased.
A few things that can cause what you mentioned -- a Space Storm, a Low Crew Event, Surrender Warrior test fail, Combat Damage, Ship Damage, Ship Crew Overdamage?
I am just guessing, we don't have very many details here.
I can tell you that this code has been reviewed on a regular basis for over a year, has extensive automated self-testing with full branch coverage AND hasn't been changed in many, many months.
I'm happy to continue with the inquiry but if you are hoping me to find a bug based on this report we would require a full LogCat showing the entire combat because I'd need extremely specific information given the completeness of testing and the correctness of all known iterations and results.
Hopefully that helps!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 23:25:23 GMT -5
Well if you're sure that I can lose 2 health when just surrendering I take your word for it. I was a boarding master, dominating those twice my level, and I got destroed by this alien. Would be nice for some upgrades against them. I actually made another list of upgrades with alien upgrades inthem in the captains log. Unfortunetly, I've not gotten one reply  |
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 15, 2012 0:35:08 GMT -5
I am saying that I'm sure if the game said "You're Dead" that was because your HP was at zero or lower.
How exactly you got to zero in the combat is in the CatLog of the combat. With all the buttons, battle roles and other inter-conflict / extra-conflict tests that the game performs it is difficult to speculate what precisely happened.
That's why I pointed out that the player has 95 different ways to loose HP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 0:47:03 GMT -5
But I lost my remaining 2 HP exactly when i surrendered. Ship damage and combat daamge may apply during combat, but it said Health: 2 when i surrendered. Ship Damage, Ship crew overdamage, low crew event, that doesnt go into play when you surrender does it? And a space storm would be during deep space travel, not during surrendering? If you say that I dead legitimately I trust you. Next time I'll just surrender when i have 3 HP.  |
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 15, 2012 1:44:22 GMT -5
Yeah without a CatLog I can't really explain it or even verify that you really had 2 HP when you surrendered.
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Post by grävling on Aug 15, 2012 1:48:17 GMT -5
I'm now getting worried. If you can die when surrendering with 2HP, what about 3? 4?
Cory, when do you recommend that we board our shuttles and get out of there?
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 15, 2012 1:55:57 GMT -5
I recommend:
+ Avoiding Radiation Storms
+ Avoiding Crew < 5
+ Keeping HP above 1
+ Fear the Xeno
We don't know very much at all in terms of details here from starfixer.
Certainly not enough to diagnose or dispute the facts of the encounter.
He says "aliens" which could mean many different things and scenarios.
There just aren't enough details in the report to make sense of it.
I can tell you with confidence that the game's automated self-tests show all rules are functioning correctly with regards to damage, Escape Shuttles, Surrender, Warrior tests.
I will come back to this if we get more details and try to provide more response.
Right now I'm on hour 20 of coding today, most of it for work, a the end for ST RPG.
Trying to fix other bugs reported that have detailed reports and Cat Logs from players.
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 15, 2012 2:16:09 GMT -5
Things that Cause HP Loss:
1. Player was defeated with 1 Crew
2. Defeat in Radiation Storm
3. Being Defeated in Boarding
4. Crew Damage Escalates to Captain Damage if Crew < Damage
There might be more to this depending on the details of the turn sequence, was the space movement auto-resumed, did the player overlook / forget the sequence of screens, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 2:16:48 GMT -5
Well if you want the catlog so badly, why dont you just revive me and I'll be happy to log it? ;D
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 15, 2012 2:20:05 GMT -5
Forms of defeat the can cause wounds:
1. Ship Searched by Military + Found Illegal Goods & Warrior Test Fail
2. Captain Sent to Prison & Warrior Test Fail
3. Captain Disgraced (Defeated by Hostile Smugglers / BH during wars)
4. Ship Looted by Hostile Pirates & Warrior Test Fail
5. Mutiny Following Combat
Other Options
1. Having 1 Crew w/ Map Movement + Ship Accident
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