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Post by egil on Aug 2, 2014 3:43:11 GMT -5
I've noticed a few times that my income/turn has jumped up and down a lot. Didnt give it much thought but recently I've gotten a feeling it happens when quitting and resuming the same game.
Last time was when I had taken over 4 Xeno worlds in a short time frame and used up tons of creds to build mines/exchanges. Income/turn was plummeting but slowly made it from -1000 to +400. Then I quit the game and resumed. BAM! +2.4k/turn.
Im really sorry I can't be more detailed. Has anybody noticed the same?
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Post by fallen on Aug 2, 2014 10:28:25 GMT -5
Haven't seen it here, and we are constantly starting and restarting games during testing.
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Post by egil on Aug 2, 2014 10:42:19 GMT -5
Haven't seen it here, and we are constantly starting and restarting games during testing. Good. It could very well be my imagination. Or that I don't fully understand what creates these spikes |
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 2, 2014 10:46:08 GMT -5
Sorry, this one is probably more of a perception issue than a bug.
One of the tests we run is specifically to look for fluctuation in saving and reloading the game -- 100 turns with a quit-and-compare test run between them.
It is worth noting that your "Income" values are written directly into the saved game file. If you are seeing them change simply from a quit-load cycle, there is probably something dramatically wrong with the game on your device and I'd be surprised it runs at all.
If that is the case, perhaps post the details of what type of device and what software you're running.
If we cannot figure it out, and the game doesn't work properly on your particular configuration/ROM/OS version, we are always happy to help out with a refund and an apology!
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Post by egil on Aug 4, 2014 2:20:10 GMT -5
It's happened again. A real big spike this time lol. I had a trade war and trade embargo. +2k income/turn. I quit the game to resume later. When I resumed everything looked ok until I hit the End turn-button. My total economy had gone down from around 12000 to 8000. -2k/turn  I'm playing on a Samsung 4 mini. The latest version. I'll try playing my next game on tablet and see if I have the same issue. Edit: During my time with low income I managed to get rid off the trade war and trade embargo. I kept playing for awhile and got a trade route started. But no difference in income. Still around -2k/turn. I quit the game.. restarted.. still the same. Pressed end turn and the next turn income is +1,4k/turn. Starting to see a pattern here. Edit2: Ok I did some more testing. I had only one treaty; a trade route. Economy was just above 11000. Waited until my second trade route was succesfully applied. Now with 2 trade routes my economy is still just above 11000. I end one turn.. no significant change. I quit the game and restart and no change. Press End turn and the next turn my economy has risen to 12488. It seems the effects of my treaties only triggers after I've quit the game, restarted and then ended a turn. |
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Post by fallen on Aug 4, 2014 9:27:23 GMT -5
egil - very sorry to hear that you are having this device specific bug. We'll keep looking into it, but our stack of test hardware and the simulator all show treaties immediately taking effect.
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 4, 2014 10:18:46 GMT -5
And in all the cases posted above, it sounds like the difference is not leaving the game, but pressing "End Turn." If there was a bug where the Income level changed with just leaving the game and starting it again, I'd have something to look for. But pressing End Turn does indeed reset the economy for that turn and recalculate everything, treaties included. It is possible that your income will fluctuate due to politics, wars and mismanaged Systems between turns. egil -- if you really think your device is having some type of unique bug, we'll need to know very specific details. - Android Device Manufacture (eg, LG) - Device Model (eg, Nexus) - Android OS Version (eg, 4.4.2) - Rooted / ROM (eg, Yes Cyanogen) - Other Software Installed (eg, MemGuard) |
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Post by egil on Aug 4, 2014 14:40:37 GMT -5
Well after even more testing I'm sure that treaties have no significant effect on my game. I can have solar war + trade war and later two trade alliances instead and the economy is barely affected. In my latest session I had two trade alliances with economy at around 14000. A bit later I had two spy battles instead. Economy still at 14000. Is this normal? Anyways.. I quit and loaded my save game and the next turn economy is down to 11000. Samsung 4 mini Model: GT-I9195 Android 4.2.2 Phone is not rooted No special software installed. Just basic stuff. Is there any specific software that can have a negative effect? Dont spend too much time trying to find the issue. I'd rather you spent time improving the game and I'll just play on my tablet.  |
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 4, 2014 14:43:46 GMT -5
It is Android, so almost any software with enough permissions can mess up other applications.
That's why we stick to basic stuff like Vibrate and Internet.
Some other questions:
1. Do you have any developer options turn on?
2. Do you have a localization pack installed?
3. Have you customized the locale?
4. Have you manually installed a Google Play update (APK) that wasn't released for your device?
5. Is the device "S-Off" or running custom firmware?
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Post by egil on Aug 4, 2014 23:20:40 GMT -5
It is Android, so almost any software with enough permissions can mess up other applications. That's why we stick to basic stuff like Vibrate and Internet. Some other questions: 1. Do you have any developer options turn on? 2. Do you have a localization pack installed? 3. Have you customized the locale? 4. Have you manually installed a Google Play update (APK) that wasn't released for your device? 5. Is the device "S-Off" or running custom firmware? No to all of those. |
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Post by Crimson on Aug 5, 2014 7:52:46 GMT -5
Haven't played star traders 4x in a while. No time working alot. But i noticed changes in the way the game reacted after closing and opening. I could do my moves. Not hit end turn. Close game. Open it redo moves hit end turn. I noticed this more with xeno production. But seemed like i would get swarmed with xenos regen. I think it has more to do with randomized dice rolls they have set up with the take turn. And somehow this gets re hard coded with major effects. I was running a very negative economy at the time so not sure if -4000 and -800 made a difference. I am running a stock photon 4g (mb855). I think abysmal has one too. And may have seen this. Regards, Crimson |
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Post by azedenkae on Aug 5, 2014 8:20:16 GMT -5
I reckon it's just all the politics and stuff changing each turn.
I have a stable economy now due to well, all systems being pretty much non-changing. When I had the exact same trade stuff for the last 100 or so turns, the values was pretty much... exactly spot on, only changing based on maintenance.
When the first Trade Battle ended, my economy improved, then stayed there. After the second, my economy improved, and stayed there.
I play on a Samsung Tablet, with like 10000000 apps.
I dun really know though.
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 5, 2014 12:31:10 GMT -5
Haven't played star traders 4x in a while. No time working alot. But i noticed changes in the way the game reacted after closing and opening. I could do my moves. Not hit end turn. Close game. Open it redo moves hit end turn. I noticed this more with xeno production. But seemed like i would get swarmed with xenos regen. Sorry to report, regarding the Xeno AI, there is a 0% chance that restarting the game has any effect on them at all. If you start looking for patterns in AI-randomized data, you'll find them. If you look for codes long enough in a newspaper, you'll find them there too. Especially in relationship to the Xeno AI behavior, if you look hard enough at them you'll be able to see all sorts of things that are really just a result of the folding logic. |
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Post by egil on Aug 7, 2014 10:40:54 GMT -5
I've tested a game on my tablet. I just focused on building up a lot of trade points so I would see a significant change when change in treaties occured.
When I received a treaty change in the log at the start of the turn I noticed nothing special. But in the next turn I had a significant change in my economy.
This is how it's suppose to work I reckon?
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Post by Cory Trese on Aug 7, 2014 11:43:44 GMT -5
I've tested a game on my tablet. I just focused on building up a lot of trade points so I would see a significant change when change in treaties occured. When I received a treaty change in the log at the start of the turn I noticed nothing special. But in the next turn I had a significant change in my economy. This is how it's suppose to work I reckon? That is correct. |
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