spell levels in combat

[xpanta]

Hi,

I would like to ask if spell level affects the dice. I noticed that Kjartan's firestorm lvl3 is less effective than firebolt lvl5, although it should be the opposite. And by "less effective" I mean less damage and more misses.

Thanks,
Chris

[contributor]

That's interesting. There is nothing "hidden" going on with the spell mechanics that you can't see in it's description. Level 5 provides 2 more accuracy than level 3 and those are strong dice so you are getting more accuracy with 5. Same thing for damage. A couple of other things could be going on. The most obvious is that the world is leveling up with you so enemies are getting harder to hit and have more armor, toughness and resistance which will soak the damage from the attack. If you're not adding attribute point to the skills which add accuracy to Fireball then you will get behind. The accuracy added by the attack is not enough to keep up. Other explanations are that you also changed up some other gear that might have been adding accuracy and damage to your attack. Or you transitioned from one type of enemies to another. Certain types have a different profile and are tougher or have more resistance than others. It's also possible that you just haven't gotten a big enough sample of data yet. The game is all based on dice rolls so it's possible that you've just gotten a string of really rubbish rolls and it will average out again soon. All that to say, there's nothing happening that can't be seen in the attack talent display.

[xpanta]

Dec 20, 2014 11:05:00 GMT -5 contributor said:

That's interesting. There is nothing "hidden" going on with the spell mechanics that you can't see in it's description. Level 5 provides 2 more accuracy than level 3 and those are strong dice so you are getting more accuracy with 5. Same thing for damage. A couple of other things could be going on. The most obvious is that the world is leveling up with you so enemies are getting harder to hit and have more armor, toughness and resistance which will soak the damage from the attack. If you're not adding attribute point to the skills which add accuracy to Fireball then you will get behind. The accuracy added by the attack is not enough to keep up. Other explanations are that you also changed up some other gear that might have been adding accuracy and damage to your attack. Or you transitioned from one type of enemies to another. Certain types have a different profile and are tougher or have more resistance than others. It's also possible that you just haven't gotten a big enough sample of data yet. The game is all based on dice rolls so it's possible that you've just gotten a string of really rubbish rolls and it will average out again soon. All that to say, there's nothing happening that can't be seen in the attack talent display.

Thanks. It is true that I am not using Firestorm very often because it is very expensive.

I might have been mislead. However, when I use it (somewhat 20% of the times) I get a hit average of around 50% and when a spell is so expensive, I expect it to have clearer advantages over less expensive spells.

[En1gma]

Firestorm starts with an accuracy that is well above average for a level one talent... I'm assuming this is done so players who haven't put as many points into Knowledge due to Kjartan being used as support before using Firestorm. This being said, it is generally a bad idea to split attack talents, due to the deceased effectiveness of all attacks involved. It can be done, but it needs to be planned from the start.

[fallen]

Dec 20, 2014 10:19:36 GMT -5 xpanta said:

Hi,

I would like to ask if spell level affects the dice. I noticed that Kjartan's firestorm lvl3 is less effective than firebolt lvl5, although it should be the opposite. And by "less effective" I mean less damage and more misses.

xpanta - you'd have to provide some numbers to show that you're analysis is correct. It sounds more like a "gut reaction" vs. "numbers"

I hope you find the Talent useful the more you use it. It is truly mighty.

[xpanta]

Dec 20, 2014 13:26:28 GMT -5 fallen said:

Dec 20, 2014 10:19:36 GMT -5 xpanta said:

Hi,

I would like to ask if spell level affects the dice. I noticed that Kjartan's firestorm lvl3 is less effective than firebolt lvl5, although it should be the opposite. And by "less effective" I mean less damage and more misses.

xpanta - you'd have to provide some numbers to show that you're analysis is correct. It sounds more like a "gut reaction" vs. "numbers"

I hope you find the Talent useful the more you use it. It is truly mighty.

It is OK. As I said I might have been wrong (it happens sometimes ;-). I just wanted to learn if spell level affects the dice. Now I know. I decided to use it more often.

[fallen]

xpanta - yep, Talent level has no affect on the attack rolls.

[anrdaemon]

Dec 20, 2014 13:33:24 GMT -5 xpanta said:

I just wanted to learn if spell level affects the dice.

Not "levels" as is, they do not participate in dice rolls.
Talent levels change your stat pools, and your stats affect rolls.
You can view it differently, but what you should understand is that spells/skills are working as shown in the tooltip. And only stats listed there affecting rolls.