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Post by Officer Genious on Feb 28, 2015 12:19:36 GMT -5
Valid points. I simply assumed elsewise based on the industry and previous games. My bad. *sits back down*
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mataeus
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Post by mataeus on Feb 28, 2015 12:35:02 GMT -5
You don't think the 3 story Episodes for $3 so far are worth the purchase price? I won't assume to know what mataeus meant (no offense to you mataeus, I simply mean that I could be thinking along entirely different lines than you and you might hate to get roped into my complaint!), but I'd argue that HoS Elite doesn't seem to have any obvious advantages over Free. Sure, you get the episodes immediately when they release, but that's not substantially different than simply buying new episodes when they release. When I think "Elite" version, I'd be thinking of having some advantage over a Free version, especially given the past Apps. In that regard, I found HoS to be personally a bit disappointing (which is why I stuck with Free and didn't get Elite). I wouldn't change it now for obvious reasons, but those are my 2 cents (this keyboard has everything but a cents button... go figure). This is exactly what I meant  While I do have to say elite comes with a nifty gold border that matches the other TB apps on my screen In fact, for all future games the gold rimmed icon will be the only difference between the two apps. That and the purchasing model. See ST 4X Empires. You could ask the same question-- "Is there any reason to buy 4X Empires Elite?" Answer: "If you like the gold rimmed icon. Everything else is the same, you won't miss a thing. You just buy what you like as IAPs instead of as a paid app." Maybe the answer is "more flexibility in purchasing." In 4X Empires, you can not buy Elite but still purchase the Ship Skin Packs. In Heroes, you can decide to invest $1 instead of $4 to see if you really enjoy the game. Great for the customer imho. That's simply not true. There are 19 maps in STE which are exclusive to Elite. This is massively disappointing news, that the only difference going forward will be the purchasing model. Free was always a taster, a kind of extended but fully playable demo of sorts, whereas Elite was the full unlocked game. It will be sad to see things change, and if it just comes down to tge purchasing model, why bother having Elite at all? |
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Post by mataeus on Feb 28, 2015 12:38:15 GMT -5
With HoS however, I think the Brothers dropped the ball on that one when it comes to providing an 'Elite' version. You don't think the 3 story Episodes for $3 so far are worth the purchase price? Yes I do, it's the extra characters which are overpriced as I've said before. They should be the Elite incentive. It's the only TB game I don't have Elite. |
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Post by fallen on Feb 28, 2015 13:01:51 GMT -5
This is massively disappointing news, that the only difference going forward will be the purchasing model. Free was always a taster, a kind of extended but fully playable demo of sorts, whereas Elite was the full unlocked game. It will be sad to see things change, and if it just comes down to tge purchasing model, why bother having Elite at all? Sorry, I guess we are not talking about the same thing. I am answering the question "Is there any reason to download Free vs. Elite app". Download Star Traders 4X Empires. Go to Store. Purchase Elite Pack for $5. You get the 19 levels. |
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Post by fallen on Feb 28, 2015 13:09:44 GMT -5
You don't think the 3 story Episodes for $3 so far are worth the purchase price? Yes I do, it's the extra characters which are overpriced as I've said before. They should be the Elite incentive. It's the only TB game I don't have Elite. Thanks for the feedback. In Heroes of Steel, the story is the Elite content. It is not a model we are likely to follow in future games (see 4X Empires again). |
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Post by Officer Genious on Feb 28, 2015 13:20:54 GMT -5
Except the story content is not exclusive to Elite versions vs. Free versions.
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Post by fallen on Feb 28, 2015 13:31:09 GMT -5
Exactly ... maybe we're all saying the same thing? Is the horse dead yet?
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Post by CdrPlatypus on Feb 28, 2015 13:57:01 GMT -5
No it belongs to a naz'gul
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Post by bobc on Feb 28, 2015 14:26:14 GMT -5
To be a bit nerdy, when Heroes was first released it only came out as 'free' and the episodes had to be bought separately. Heroes Elite did not appear for another couple of months and the only difference was that the episodes were all pre-bought and would drop in whenever they were released. I remember because when Heroes first arrived I had every intention of waiting for the Elite. I lasted a total of two days before I cracked & bought episode 1. Why two days? That's how long it took me to get to the gates of Oskahold and run out of free fun! Yep, sorry, rambling. Time to let that poor horse go free!!
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Post by contributor on Feb 28, 2015 16:02:31 GMT -5
Yes, (die horse die!) I think the whole reason that Elite came out was that a few whiners (looks at the four fingers pointing back at himeself) whined when HoS first came out that it could feel like "nickle and diming" players to ask the them to pay for the episodes one by one and that it would be better bundle them all together so that people could feel like they're buying the whole game and not being asked to cough up every episode. So the whole elite thing can probably be blamed on me and my fellow whiners. Personally I think the gold border is enough of a reward for having elite. At the end of the day it's all psychology because right now everyone pays the same thing for same thing, they just pay in different ways. If the feeling is that elite should get some special discount, then maybe the discussion should just be about whether the whole price is worth it or not. In my opinion it is.
From a shrewd marketeers perspective I can see some advantage of offering a discounted "Complete" version, once all the content is out and including the extra characters in it. It's basically a wager on whether people buying it piece by piece will play all the way to E4 and buy all the extra characters. There are certainly lots of people who pick it up and buy E1 and maybe E2, and maybe an extra character or two but then something else comes out and they forget about HoS and never come back to it and buy anything else. If they were offered, up front, the chance to buy it all at a discount they might plop down more cash than they would otherwise. Of coarse this all puts the TBs in the position of being shrewd evil developers looking for ways to wring more money out of the unsuspecting masses. The more I think about it, there is a sort of simple integrity to "pay-for-what-you-play" pricing.
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Post by CdrPlatypus on Feb 28, 2015 20:19:55 GMT -5
contributor You make a good point. I think a lot of the animosity comes from former mmo players like my self who got burned by pay to win IAPs. Whereas with TB library you are getting a pay to/as you play model
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Post by Blitz on Mar 6, 2015 16:25:28 GMT -5
From a shrewd marketeers perspective I can see some advantage of offering a discounted "Complete" version, once all the content is out and including the extra characters in it. It's basically a wager on whether people buying it piece by piece will play all the way to E4 and buy all the extra characters. There are certainly lots of people who pick it up and buy E1 and maybe E2, and maybe an extra character or two but then something else comes out and they forget about HoS and never come back to it and buy anything else. If they were offered, up front, the chance to buy it all at a discount they might plop down more cash than they would otherwise. Of coarse this all puts the TBs in the position of being shrewd evil developers looking for ways to wring more money out of the unsuspecting masses. The more I think about it, there is a sort of simple integrity to "pay-for-what-you-play" pricing. This was exactly what I was expecting when I first asked the question - not that I have any problem with it at all. I would have bought elite if there was any real benefit in doing so - benefit as in a new skin for a character, or maybe a monetary incentive. I asked the question because I was wondering why there is an Elite version at all, if paying as you go would get you the same thing. Not that a dollar here or there is really a big deal, since, for example, I spent more on dinner than something that gives me hours and hours of entertainment, but it's still a little off. I completely disagree that offering Elite as the whole thing for a tiny discount is really being "shrewd evil developers". It's offering flexibility to the new customers to try things out without spending too much while simultaneously letting people who're willing to pay more upfront/people who already know they like the game a little incentive to do so. Sure, some people might pay more to get the discount but is choice really a bad thing? |
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Post by bookworm21 on Mar 8, 2015 10:17:29 GMT -5
I always assumed that part of it was so that the elite versions got better reviews as only dedicated players would buy it over the free version.
So all the "too hard" "don't understand" "where's my pay-to-win" reviews were canned into the free version to allow the elite version to look better.
Other than that, i thought it was just so that people who bought the free game didn't have to start again if they wanted the rest of the content.
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