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Post by contributor on Mar 4, 2015 3:25:56 GMT -5
But at the end of the day people CAN STILL RESPEC ON A PC. It's just that they can't pay the $5 to get a free respec, which is something that certain people seem to think is a great crime anyways. To me it doesn't make sense to say that paying to respec is a terrible idea and then say that it has to be on as many platforms as possible. Maybe it will help to separate out Respec from the IAP in people's thinking. If it was just introduced with crystals I think people would have said "ok that's an added challenge to gain access to a powerful new feature that some of us have been asking for." Since there's an option to pay $5 for a free respec, people seem to combine the ideas and assume that crystals must have been introduced just to make their lives unnecessarily difficult and twist their arms to pay $5. But really, finding the crystals is not that difficult. How many of us are completionist players anyways? It's not like we have to fight any more battles or go on long hikes or load new maps to get these things.
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Post by mataeus on Mar 4, 2015 3:49:04 GMT -5
So now people are arguing because they want to have an IAP where they don't have one?
Jesus fucking Christ.
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Post by rabidbite on Mar 4, 2015 4:13:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand what's going on? Just recently started playing HoS again.
Players can respec with crystals?
Players can ALSO buy a respec via $5 purchase?
Do I have those 2 points correct?
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Post by mataeus on Mar 4, 2015 4:38:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand what's going on? Just recently started playing HoS again. Players can respec with crystals? Players can ALSO buy a respec via $5 purchase? Do I have those 2 points correct? rabid On all versions, blue Moonstones have been added to the maps at various locations. They are a new tile, not something found in chests. Collect enough of these (20) and you can respec one character. There are more than enough scattered throughout the game to respec quite a few times, but it DOES mean starting a brand new game and thus new characters to collect the majority, if for example you're locked out of any previous chapter locations due to current party situations. On the mobile versions ONLY (iOS and Android), you can buy a one-time $5 respec IAP which allows you to respec old characters and new, right from buying it. I've argued at length why I think the IAP is unnecessarily overpriced ($5 for a simple feature. It's not new content, like characters and chapters, or even new gear or any other bonus. It's just removing points and putting them elsewhere). Forum members were split between whether the $5 IAP was good value or not, and whether it was necessary. Now forum members are arguing that, even though they might not like the idea, it should be in the PC and Macintosh versions as well. Stick around for when the Sun collapses in on itself and we all get sucked into a black hole. |
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Post by rabidbite on Mar 4, 2015 5:11:55 GMT -5
Hmm. I can see both sides of the issue.
Different versions of the same game causes confusion.
Different platform versions of the same game causes resentment in those that feel their version might have received less features.
Different platform versions of the same game also touches on the argument that 'X' amount of 'attention' is given to 'Y' platform. Thus, why does MY platform have less features?
The flipside to that coin.
Different platforms simply have different coding restrictions.
Different platforms simply have different LEGAL restrictions.
Different platforms simply have different COMMERCIAL limitations. (some allow IAP some don't, blah blah)
I'm sure other considerations on BOTH sides of the issue has slipped my mind. I ask for reasonable understanding from both sides.
In fact, why not offer some concrete ideas on how to overcome the difficulties? I'll start it off.
(Someone runs by screaming) FREE THE TBs! FREE THE TBs!
Ok, that's not probably too helpful, but a well felt sentiment....
How about: Make the IAP a DLC download in STEAM. This suggestion has 2 active limitations (off the top of my head):
1. It must not be too difficult to implement, because I prefer having the TBs slaving.... erm... working on ST2, than coding DLCs for steam.
2. Has to be something the community really wants. Why go through the effort if its simply wasted sweat?
I HOPE I'm making sense. If not, well .... I blame Snookums.
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Post by mataeus on Mar 4, 2015 5:31:27 GMT -5
Hmm. I can see both sides of the issue. Different versions of the same game causes confusion. Different platform versions of the same game causes resentment in those that feel their version might have received less features. Different platform versions of the same game also touches on the argument that 'X' amount of 'attention' is given to 'Y' platform. Thus, why does MY platform have less features? The flipside to that coin. Different platforms simply have different coding restrictions. Different platforms simply have different LEGAL restrictions. Different platforms simply have different COMMERCIAL limitations. (some allow IAP some don't, blah blah) I'm sure other considerations on BOTH sides of the issue has slipped my mind. I ask for reasonable understanding from both sides. In fact, why not offer some concrete ideas on how to overcome the difficulties? I'll start it off. (Someone runs by screaming) FREE THE TBs! FREE THE TBs! Ok, that's not probably too helpful, but a well felt sentiment.... How about: Make the IAP a DLC download in STEAM. This suggestion has 2 active limitations (off the top of my head): 1. It must not be too difficult to implement, because I prefer having the TBs slaving.... erm... working on ST2, than coding DLCs for steam. 2. Has to be something the community really wants. Why go through the effort if its simply wasted sweat? I HOPE I'm making sense. If not, well .... I blame Snookums. rabid Whilst in no way an ideal solution in anyway, a quick to implement hack job would be to include the respec feature on Steam out of the box, and charge more for the base game. If anyone complains that adding a full $5 to the price is too much of an increase, well then it shows that the respec feature is overpriced as an add-on. There are many, many drawbacks to this method however, the primary one being that Moonstones would then be useless, and then mobile players would ask why their version doesn't include it right out of the box. Hmm. It would seem that, rather than come up with a solution, I've actually brought up an example of the worst possible one and argued against it myself, thus getting it out of the way. NEXT! |
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Post by CdrPlatypus on Mar 4, 2015 5:42:50 GMT -5
I don't like the IAP, but I feel it should be available for all players.
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Post by fallen on Mar 4, 2015 9:50:29 GMT -5
Thanks for all the feedback! Cory and I are continuing to do our best supporting 6 games on five platforms and developing our seventh and eighth and find a way to keep making games. We're doing our best, but we can't do it all.
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Post by ntsheep on Mar 4, 2015 10:11:47 GMT -5
Thanks for all the feedback! Cory and I are continuing to do our best supporting 6 games on five platforms and developing our seventh and eighth and find a way to keep making games. We're doing our best, but we can't do it all.All the more reason why you should,,,, Wait for it,,,,,,, Take a break and FREE THE TB'S!!!!!!!! |
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Post by bobc on Mar 4, 2015 10:33:10 GMT -5
I haven't bought the re-spec IAP so I'm a bit confused over what you get.....
The game lets you collect moonstones to re-spec. If you buy the IAP do all the moonstones disappear or can you still collect them? If you can still collect the moonstones then can you double your opportunity to re-spec; once for the collect and once for the IAP? Is the IAP re-spec immediately available or do you have to wait for a point in the game that an equivalent number of moonstones would be available?
Also, if the re-spec IAP is to save me from parping around trying to collect moonstones, is it going to be (could it be?) extended to include bloodstones so I don't have to parp around trying to find them as well?
Could somebody help out please?
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Post by mataeus on Mar 4, 2015 10:37:49 GMT -5
Thanks for all the feedback! Cory and I are continuing to do our best supporting 6 games on five platforms and developing our seventh and eighth and find a way to keep making games. We're doing our best, but we can't do it all. Just don't have a breakdown  Update / patch rate is already WELL in advance of what any other developer does. I have around 70 games, mostly paid and a handful of free, installed on my phone. I have around 350 games (retail, arcade and indie) for my Xbox 360. I have about two dozen games for my 3DS. I also have about 200 games for my PC, although that doesn't really count as it's still waiting for a new motherboard. The TB games are the only ones out of hundreds which are updated at an absolute minimum of once per month, let alone having at least one update for one game weekly, on average. I'd be happy with six updates per year, to be honest, with small hotfixes in between. In fact, as far as ST, TA and STE are concerned I'd be completely satisfied if they were now classed as 'finished', with only minor boug fixing in future. Just don't burn out, no one wants that!  |
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Post by fallen on Mar 4, 2015 10:37:55 GMT -5
bobc - the Re-spec grants 1 Re-Spec to all characters in all you groups without any need for Moonstones. You can still collect Moonstones to get additional Respecs. Without the Unlock, you could at maximum get 6-8 Respecs throughout all 4 Episodes via Moonstones. Bloodstones are a completely different story and not related to the Respec Unlock. You'll find a healthy number of them situated with story bosses that you have to face, so you should have a healthy number of them even if you aren't parping around.
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Post by fallen on Mar 4, 2015 10:39:53 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone sharing all the positive energy.
I am really excited that we have deployed Right Click on PC. It's a huge step forward for us in overcoming the "mobile port" label and to make the UI more desktop friendly.
Yes, that means that we are working on mouse-over.
Anyone want to toss in other ideas about where / how else to use Right-Click in PC mode?
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Post by bobc on Mar 4, 2015 12:34:35 GMT -5
Thanks for that fallen, I thought the IAP replaced the moonstones rather than supplemented them. I think I need to start saving my dinner money for this one after all. If you could clarify a final point please; can the IAP re-spec be used 'piecemeal' so that it is 4 character re-specs that can be used at any point or does it have to be used all at once as a full team re-spec? (With the IAP do you get a max of 10 - 12 re-specs or is it 6 - 8 + 1 team re-spec?) Thanks for your patience, you and Cory are probably sick to your back teeth hearing about this by now!! |
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Post by rabidbite on Mar 4, 2015 13:49:15 GMT -5
All the more reason why you should,,,, Wait for it,,,,,,, Take a break and FREE THE TB'S!!!!!!!! *grin* rabid |
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