Enemy POV

[En1gma]

Has anyone given any serious thought to how insanely frightening it must be to watch FOUR PEOPLE completely SLAUGHTER an ENTIRE ARMY??? I mean seriously- what must be going through the minds of these well trained, well armed, and highly coordinated soldiers? IDK, but it would seem to me that the average soldier would think they're fighting against gods...

I was just thinking about the assault on Red Hill's Keep, and was suddenly inspired to write another of my short stories from the point of view of Baron Arhaive's military commander, (Not Groth, but some other commander...) where he is trying desperately to defend the Keep, from both inside and out. Hence my random thread thinking about it...

I can just see him dismissing reports of a small squad fighting their way to the Gatehouse, sure of his soldiers' skills, preoccupied with fighting off Barnett's men. Tonight I rest, then tomorrow, or soonish, I'll see if I can get cracking on this...

[anrdaemon]

If you didn't play WoW lately, try digging up the youtube video of Iron Docks instance walkthrough, the one where NPC talks are clearly heard.
Also,

SPOILER: Click to show

you've literally recited the impression of Ember war camps on party return from CoD.

BTW, Red Hill assault is the only encounter I can think about where they have fought an army that can be theoretically called "in their right mind". Again, not all of them were. And the further down, the worse. Cultists, Orcs, undead.
Krete… may be. I don't know. They are lizards after all. Where did they came from, anyway?
I'm not quite understanding Volpas. They are presumable close to animal lives, and they aren't idiots. They should see the challenge and pull back. Any sane animal would. Predator or grazer alike. "If you can't eat it, let it walk away."

[En1gma]

I feel like the Krete are more cunning than we give them credit for. They seem to be at least fairly sophisticated, with their own language and tribal structure. The wizard/sorcerer seen to think they would be (somewhat) negotiable if they were able to comprehend the common tongue...

[hissrad]

Aug 11, 2015 21:27:57 GMT -5 En1gma said:

I feel like the Krete are more cunning than we give them credit for. They seem to be at least fairly sophisticated, with their own language and tribal structure. The wizard/sorcerer seen to think they would be (somewhat) negotiable if they were able to comprehend the common tongue...

Maybe the Baron had Groth "negotiate", I mean if they are semi intelligent I'd wager Orcin would be more natural for them then common.

[johndramey]

It is a rather entertaining thought, En1gma. I usually don't feel bad when my squad is pummeling on animals or other "less intelligent" foes, but there are situations where you are cleaving through ranks and ranks of intelligent enemies. Intelligent enemies that probably have families and are just, you know, following orders.

Then I hit them with Kincaid and his 1ap sticker of doom 7 times in a row and move on to the next one!

[CdrPlatypus]

The Volpas are loyal to there goddess and willing to fight to the death for her. That is my thought on them anyway.

[crimsonking]

Aug 10, 2015 21:21:55 GMT -5 En1gma said:

Has anyone given any serious thought to how insanely frightening it must be to watch FOUR PEOPLE completely SLAUGHTER an ENTIRE ARMY??? I mean seriously- what must be going through the minds of these well trained, well armed, and highly coordinated soldiers? IDK, but it would seem to me that the average soldier would think they're fighting against gods...

Or demons... has anyone given any serious thought to how slaughtering an entire army should affect the killer's mind? How sociopathic are four people that hack and slash their way through hundreds of human beings and not even reflect about it in the cutscene dialogs? How many of those dead soldiers have families, how many children do we make orphans while trying to save the world?

Same with about any other CRPG though. This is also not a reproval, just a perception. As long as we take these media for what they are, games, this works. If we try to think about what this would mean in reality the curtain our suspension of disbelief rises will be torn apart.

[hissrad]

Have you played KOTOR 2? This point is raised near the end of the game. Obsidion stealthily made it part of the story.

[anrdaemon]

Aug 12, 2015 2:27:06 GMT -5 CdrPlatypus said:

The Volpas are loyal to there goddess and willing to fight to the death for her. That is my thought on them anyway.

I can get their attitude up to Springtide Altar, but no further.

Aug 12, 2015 2:50:16 GMT -5 crimsonking said:

four people that hack and slash their way through hundreds of human beings and not even reflect about it in the cutscene dialogs?

Pardon me, but "not reflect"? Are we playing the same game?

[bobsoup]

I have often thought what it would be like to be the last person standing.

Especially in a huge battle. 4 people just wiped out your entire squad. What's going through the last man's mind other that expletives?

(and don't say Vraes's sword is last thing through his mind)

[anrdaemon]

In a "huge battle" there's very little time for "reflection". If you didn't give up before the battle, you are not going to give up at the end of it.

[johndramey]

Aug 12, 2015 20:49:28 GMT -5 bobsoup said:

I have often thought what it would be like to be the last person standing.

Especially in a huge battle. 4 people just wiped out your entire squad. What's going through the last man's mind other that expletives?

(and don't say Vraes's sword is last thing through his mind)

I'd imagine the last thing going through his/her mind is something along the lines of "Holy shit, they just wiped everyone out! How can I get out of this?!" haha

[tran]

While Fyona actually felt bad for the baddies she had slain, the rest of my team didn't. Heck, Tamilin would say "if there is a prize, it will be done" (looting corpses and chests), Vreas is a simple mind warrior, and the wizard-whose-name-is-so-hard-to-remember will consider those that were slain were simply lesser flunkies.

[bobsoup]

Aug 13, 2015 1:55:49 GMT -5 tran said:

the wizard-whose-name-is-so-hard-to-remember

Lord Voldemort.







... Kjarten perhaps? Or Vincent.

[nednederlander]

Aug 12, 2015 2:50:16 GMT -5 crimsonking said:

Or demons... has anyone given any serious thought to how slaughtering an entire army should affect the killer's mind? How sociopathic are four people that hack and slash their way through hundreds of human beings and not even reflect about it in the cutscene dialogs? How many of those dead soldiers have families, how many children do we make orphans while trying to save the world?

Same with about any other CRPG though. This is also not a reproval, just a perception. As long as we take these media for what they are, games, this works. If we try to think about what this would mean in reality the curtain our suspension of disbelief rises will be torn apart.

Interesting. My son has been pushing me to get into Clash of Clans and I'm just not cut out for that game. I get attacked and successfully defend and then go look at the guy's base before hitting the revenge button and I just can't do it. I could turn his whole town into rubble with 1/3 of my army and I'm just picturing my other, special needs, son wondering why this big bad man is steamrolling the shit out if him. I have yet to actually push that revenge button.

So there's real people to feel about. In this game there's animated people to feel bad about. Soldiers, then maybe cultists. But not orcs. I enjoy killing orcs.