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Post by Cory Trese on Mar 19, 2016 17:41:21 GMT -5
Forgive me, wrong word -- I edited my post. It is a "bug" not an "exploit."
Thanks for your feedback and valuable information about how you're playing our game.
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Post by En1gma on Mar 19, 2016 18:01:33 GMT -5
Vraes: Towing hulk of a man, scarred by a thousand battles against uncounted enemies. Uses a tiny knife. Not very good lore, I agree. If you want knives, go with Kincaid  |
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Post by Rashar on Mar 19, 2016 18:05:52 GMT -5
Well yeah I agree that lorewise it is laughable but I am pretty sure Vraes rather has a knife that can stab 7 people to death then a two handed weapon that overkills 2 people.
The moment a 2 handed weapon starts to make sense math wise I will be the 1st to use them, untill then: "From hell's hearth I stab at thee."
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Post by En1gma on Mar 19, 2016 18:34:33 GMT -5
I'd like to see dayan do a rendering of Vraes holding like a main gauche, dwarfed by his 6'5 frame, snarl on his face and death in his eye. 2h weapons are great! You've never used them before?? 2h Spears are arguably some of the best weapons in the game, and any of them with FEROCITY just slaughter things. |
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 19, 2016 18:36:58 GMT -5
Vraes: Towing hulk of a man, scarred by a thousand battles against uncounted enemies. Uses a tiny knife. Not very good lore, I agree. If you want knives, go with Kincaid I dunno... I kinda like the idea that he punches a hole thru the chest of his enemy with his whole arm following, tiny knife or no... :-p |
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Post by En1gma on Mar 19, 2016 18:40:14 GMT -5
LOL-- I'd LOVE to see the havoc he would wreak with a Katar. Fking destroy everything...
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Post by xdesperado on Mar 19, 2016 18:40:23 GMT -5
Cory TreseI know you've heard it before many times, but as weapons increase in AP cost to wield they need to seriously upgrade the damage output. Problem is with bonuses to damage from Talents and Gear getting more attacks in works out to far more damage output. Only way to balance that out overall is to significantly raise damage on 3AP weapons and possibly even 2AP weapons. Kincaid/Selen/Tamilin will never touch a 2AP light blade/throwing knife as the potential damage output and subsequent ability to target more enemies is so much in favor of the 1AP weapons when other talents and gear are taken into account. Likewise the extra range on 3AP bows generally isn't enough to offset the extra attack a 2AP bow gives. Same with 3AP melee weapons, especially 2 handed ones that require sacrificing use of a shield. My level 15 Kincaid is using Captain Lukai's Blade 1AP 13-25 Dmg. He gets total of 15% SP Drain. Gear and Crippling Strikes 6 adds +8Dmg, +8Ice Dmg, and he gets another +9Fire Dmg from Burning Blades. With Fyona Strickening 6, Tamilin ToS 5 everything in melee range enemies have no resistance or very very little. So in essence he's getting +25 damage on every hit. That's doubling his damage per attack, no way a 2AP blade can compete with the loss of 4 attacks per turn. Darting Steel 1 is nearly as potent and again switching to a 2AP TK makes no mathematical sense. Factor in that lower AP costs mean more flexibility in your ability to maneuver while still making attacks and it's a no brainer.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 19, 2016 18:46:47 GMT -5
I think our dear Cory would rather nerf all 1ap actions than improve the top end cause he's hardcore... :-p Probably annoyed with cheaters atm beware his wrath!
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Post by Rashar on Mar 19, 2016 18:50:53 GMT -5
I'd like to see dayan do a rendering of Vraes holding like a main gauche, dwarfed by his 6'5 frame, snarl on his face and death in his eye. 2h weapons are great! You've never used them before?? 2h Spears are arguably some of the best weapons in the game, and any of them with FEROCITY just slaughter things. My 500+ crits with a store bought 1 handed dagger also slaughter things, I do not argue the killing potential of 2 handed weapons the AP/dmg ratio is just not worth it mathwise. If I can one shot 1 trash mob with a 1ap dagger why would I want to overkill it with a 3ap 2 handed weapon? Not to mention I get my +36fire dmg, +42 holy damage,, +38 berserk rage damage and +64 ferocity damage SEVEN times while 2 handed weapons get those things twice. Now everyone can scream at me that two handed weapons are better for ignoring armor well... +200 damage that also good for overcoming armor and that is also 7 chances to crit. Even with Vraes's base 33% that means on average 2 crits per round... the total damage of 7 attacks versus 2 attacks is MUCH higher not to mention that higher AP weapons are terrabad for taking out small fry. I'll actually calculate it tomorrow and post it. I'll use the best possible store bought weapons from the Braeys basecamp and my current talents/items. Last time I did the calculation was some time ago and even then without me having high +bonusus the math did not favor 2 handed weapons. |
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Post by fallen on Mar 19, 2016 18:53:59 GMT -5
xdesperado - interesting feedback. I am not sure our analysis of the math lines up. It can be challenging to see clearly as there are so many factors. It is hard to say that 1 AP weapons are best when you are talking about all the the additional facts (other character's Talents, gear you are wearing, strategy you are focusing on). If you removed the team strategy that you are using, I think you could do a clear math analysis. On the other hand, we aren't here to boil down the numbers in a chemistry lab  You've hit on a perfect strategy, and are stacking all the right Curses with all the right AP and Elemental Damage bonuses. Someone should start a thread titled "best group combos" or something.
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Post by xdesperado on Mar 19, 2016 18:55:32 GMT -5
I think our dear Cory would rather nerf all 1ap actions than improve the top end cause he's hardcore... :-p Probably annoyed with cheaters atm beware his wrath! Not cheating, just stacking available gear and talents. Unfortunately in a numbers game, especially one like HoS with so many possible combinations, achieving anything close to true parity between weapons/attack talents is nearly impossible. |
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Post by Rashar on Mar 19, 2016 18:56:38 GMT -5
Oh and on a sidenote, while I don't mind being called an exploiter and while I feel the "cheaters beware" might be directed at me please notice that everything I do is made possible by the game I am not using any cheats/hacks or 3rd party software that provides me invulnerability.
You might feel that using 1 handers is cheating it is not. Cheating would be if I would get a program that allows infinite hp mp and ap.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 19, 2016 19:01:42 GMT -5
Oh and on a sidenote, while I don't mind being called an exploiter and while I feel the "cheaters beware" might be directed at me please notice that everything I do is made possible by the game I am not using any cheats/hacks or 3rd party software that provides me invulnerability. You might feel that using 1 handers is cheating it is not. Cheating would be if I would get a program that allows infinite hp mp and ap. No, it was directed at myself and others, not you. I modded two games to test high level talents quickly for all 8 characters. Checked out other low hanging fruit while in there. I told Cory about it so he could plug those holes... It just happened others lost their games for HoS lately, possibly by cheating. |
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Post by fallen on Mar 19, 2016 19:03:06 GMT -5
No, it was directed at myself and others, not you. I modded two games to test high level talents quickly for all 8 characters. Checked out other low hanging fruit while in there. I told Cory about it so he could plug those holes... It just happened others lost their games for HoS lately, possibly by cheating. I would definitely warn against using hack tools. We've had reports just this week of saved games lost while hacking. |
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Post by Rashar on Mar 19, 2016 19:05:19 GMT -5
Karma |
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You've hit on a perfect strategy, and are stacking all the right Curses with all the right AP and Elemental Damage bonuses. Someone should start a thread titled "best group combos" or something.