Denouncements of Cadar

[resistor]

There are no Cadari ship manufacturers on Steel Song planets. If there was, you wouldn't be able to get the +20 max crew (they can't comprehend how to fill extra space in the torpedo bay with crew quarters). You're getting ripped off with the extra 20%

[poryg]

Unfortunately there are, I smuggled them there during one of the contracts they have enslaved several steel songs to be sure to be able to build the ships with the 20% bonus.

Umm, did I say enslave? No, I didn't mean that! It was just buying some pet steel song children and making them into manufacturers

[resistor]

What's more likely...

...your "passengers" are Cadar spies or fugitives, and have taken up a new identity as a ship manufacturer, while somehow keeping Steel Song slaves under the local authority's nose.

or

...your "passengers" are ripping you off every time you visit, telling you that your ship will be cardboard if they don't get 120%. They then buy a Steel Song ship for you and pocket the extra 20%.


A couple problems with the first explanation: if they had to be smuggled in, why would they take such a prominent new identity as ship dealers instead of lying low? Also, they should be trying to avoid the attention of the local authorities, so why would they commit the very noticeable crime of slavery?
On the other hand, the second explanation seems like pretty standard behavior in the quadrant.

[Zer0Winds]

Both.

I mean, seriously, anything could be the reason, I doubt the passengers are all the same thing, and since you aren't paid to ask questions...

[poryg]

Aug 13, 2016 9:57:47 GMT -5 resistor said:

What's more likely...

...your "passengers" are Cadar spies or fugitives, and have taken up a new identity as a ship manufacturer, while somehow keeping Steel Song slaves under the local authority's nose.

or

...your "passengers" are ripping you off every time you visit, telling you that your ship will be cardboard if they don't get 120%. They then buy a Steel Song ship for you and pocket the extra 20%.


A couple problems with the first explanation: if they had to be smuggled in, why would they take such a prominent new identity as ship dealers instead of lying low? Also, they should be trying to avoid the attention of the local authorities, so why would they commit the very noticeable crime of slavery?
On the other hand, the second explanation seems like pretty standard behavior in the quadrant.

In ST RPG enslaving is punished by -2 RP, which equals to a one time pardon of $480. Since selling ships isn't a crime, just a regular business, that's basically all they had to pay, if we exclude the one time -3 RP for getting smuggled into the planet. So basically, they just buy pardons and continue their business. Perfectly legit.

[resistor]

That's just for star traders pardons. Smuggled passengers are executed when found, so I don't imagine they'd want to find themselves on the prince's radar.

[poryg]

Yes, in flight if they are found out being smuggled, then yes, they are executed. But when they become citizens of Steel Song, which they became by me successfully smuggling them there and them buying pardons, for the military to take any suspicion, they need to have -10 rep or worse. They have paid all negative reputation by pardons, then went on to be able to buy trade permits. They are now allowed to trade and are untouchable by trade embargoes as long as they stay on steel song planet. But as long as SS continues to create ships from cardboard, they will always be in business.

[Zer0Winds]

First, Steel Song don't make ships out of cardboard.

Second, Spacers and Ground Guys are different. I doubt they follow all the same laws.

Third, that implies these smuggled people have more than -10 rep.

Fourth, if smuggled people are executed in flight, they're going to be executed on the surface. If you're executed in ST RPG, you have less than -10, in fact, you have less then -35. Don't say it's only in flight that you're executed, because the bounty hunter, or military officer would take them into custody as a prisoner not execute them. But they execute them, so it's not likely to be less serious on the ground. No, they're going to always be executed.

Fifth trade permits are for Star Traders, not ground people.

[resistor]

poryg , look, you're getting ripped off, but that's what you get for deliberately avoiding Song-made ships!

[poryg]

Aug 13, 2016 14:32:31 GMT -5 Zer0Winds said:

First, Steel Song don't make ships out of cardboard.

Second, Spacers and Ground Guys are different. I doubt they follow all the same laws.

Third, that implies these smuggled people have more than -10 rep.

Fourth, if smuggled people are executed in flight, they're going to be executed on the surface. If you're executed in ST RPG, you have less than -10, in fact, you have less then -35. Don't say it's only in flight that you're executed, because the bounty hunter, or military officer would take them into custody as a prisoner not execute them. But they execute them, so it's not likely to be less serious on the ground. No, they're going to always be executed.

Fifth trade permits are for Star Traders, not ground people.

Yeah, in flight they execute you, but when you get on the planet, nobody is going to attack you there as long as you don't cause trouble not to mention that the spice hall is always open, with a place to improve reputation
Also, they could just enter a crew and then escape when the captain tried to entertain them

[Zer0Winds]

If you're going to be executed in flight, you'll be executed on the surface.

[poryg]

That is if they find you. But Cadar people are specialists in torping, so they have huge stealth

[resistor]

But passengers can't do anything that earns XP, and even if they could, they could only level up in spaceships, not on the surface. They can't invest in Stealth.

[poryg]

The crew is as good as is it's captain, which means that the captain gives his stats to the crew... Because it's otherwise impossible that his presence alone would make the gunners aim better when he has to take care of piloting. So what do you know, perhaps they deserted from some lv 350 de Valtos smuggler which would explain why the ss would hate them, even though I took them as normal passengers

[resistor]

Aug 13, 2016 17:50:32 GMT -5 poryg said:

The crew is as good as is it's captain, which means that the captain gives his stats to the crew... Because it's otherwise impossible that his presence alone would make the gunners aim better when he has to take care of piloting. So what do you know, perhaps they deserted from some lv 350 de Valtos smuggler which would explain why the ss would hate them, even though I took them as normal passengers

The Captain isn't giving his stats to the crew. The stat that increases gun accuracy is Tactics, not some physical stat like Quickness, which implies that aiming more accurately involves understanding of the firing angles of the different guns, predicting the movement of the enemy, etc., all such things are relevant and involving the captain while he is piloting. If the crew absorbed the captains stats, levelling Quickness would give the crew better reflexes, and therefore better aim.
Besides, if the passengers wanted to make ships, it wouldn't make sense they would fly to a planet where they are criminals, instead of making ships on their Cadar world.

This is the weirdest debate I've ever been in