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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2017 4:14:23 GMT -5
I hired a pistoleer to replace the one I tossed from my starter crew. She shows up and has 3 unknown traits. She also has +6 evasion and +6 stealth. Lady, I thought to myself, you look like officer material to me. And I promoted her.
We travelled someplace. My crew got quite damaged as nobody knows enough doctoring yet. We went to the spice hall to recover.
My new officer still has 3 hidden traits, but in the little logfile window, thank you for compressing the storytelling bonus into one line, by the way -- I get told that her snob trait is causing my crew to lose 12 morale every time we spice.
Ick.
Am I supposed to get that message, given that I don't know any of her traits?
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Post by xdesperado on Feb 21, 2017 5:39:58 GMT -5
I think you are, good way to detect some hidden talents before your Captain "discovers" them.
Still want better ways to uncover all those hiden talents, spend years locked up on a small ship and I still don't know all the various quirks of the 30-40 people locked in with me?
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2017 6:29:00 GMT -5
Well, now I have 2 snobs. Twice as dreadful. But it occurred to me that if I had 4 or more, maybe they would think that this ship is a classy joint, since it has hired the oh-so-wonderful thems, and they would stop feeling the need to disparage the rest of the crew? Getting crews in bunches of the same trait then might be wonderful.
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Post by fallen on Feb 21, 2017 10:03:59 GMT -5
Well, now I have 2 snobs. Twice as dreadful. But it occurred to me that if I had 4 or more, maybe they would think that this ship is a classy joint, since it has hired the oh-so-wonderful thems, and they would stop feeling the need to disparage the rest of the crew? Getting crews in bunches of the same trait then might be wonderful. - yes, we are working on more ways to discover them. As they also don't change right now, its just the state of the Motivation Engine -- only about 20% turned on. Lol, now we need to compress the snob logs into one line  The idea of "if more then 3 snobs, morale damage stops" is freaking hilarious. We are on the fence about the messages. They allow you to "discover" traits, but then we don't actually make them visible. It really reduces the value of Talents that will discover Traits, etc. We've got an issue in about it to decide what to do. It does seem like a reasonable moment where you'd have a better chance of figuring out the trait. Hmm, just off the cuff, maybe we should give a % chance (5%?) when a hidden Trait is used. So, if you spice enough, you'll learn what your folks are like when spicing. But if they are Sly and great at Spying, but you never Spy, you might not pick that up. Anyway, we've got an issue in on it. |
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2017 10:25:59 GMT -5
Glad you liked the many snobs idea.
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Post by athios on Feb 21, 2017 12:09:25 GMT -5
I agree it's not quite "fair" to list the full details of an undiscovered trait in the log, but it is good info for the player. A reasonable alternative for firing of undiscovered traits is to list that it happened, but not the source.
"One of your crew has caused morale to drop by 12."
"One of your crew has increased Data rewards by 25%"
5% chance of discovery when activated sounds good.
Yeah, the "mob of snobs" is a hilarious idea. It would be hard to decide where to draw the cutoff line though. Perhaps snobs should increase the morale of other snobs? Or are snobs usually solitary creatures?
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2017 12:18:55 GMT -5
Snobs, when they find others they can approve of, like to form superior cliques of 'our sort of people == the people that matter' and just associate with each other. This is assuming they are extroverted/social enough to care. They'd rather spend their time telling each other how superior they are as opposed to telling their inferiors, because everybody loves an appreciative audience. There are introverted, and/or antisocial snobs as well, but they mostly wouldn't deign to insult the common plebs, so wouldn't be a morale problem in the spice house. Introverted snobs are usually welcomed by extroverted snobs, and often join such cliques, because they are usually extremely lonely, unless just being with other people at all is too much for their superior introverted natures, which can and does happen.
Read *The Name of the Wind* and *The Wise Man's Fear* by Patrick Rothfuss if you want to see how all this plays out. He is good at describing this.
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Post by fallen on Feb 21, 2017 12:52:10 GMT -5
grävling - based on your description, you could almost argue that more snobs on a boat should compound the morale loss instead of reduce it.
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2017 13:08:15 GMT -5
grävling - based on your description, you could almost argue that more snobs on a boat should compound the morale loss instead of reduce it. Then I did not describe it well enough. It may, and indeed often does impair the ability of people to 'all work together as a team' but the snobs are happy enough, and actually usually do a pretty good job of what they are told to do. Just not as good enough a job to justify their unrealistically high opinions of themselves, but still, pretty useful. A mild bit of competition between people who feel themselves the elite is actually quite positive, as long as it stays mild and doesn't turn into backstabbing. The plebs, on the other hand either don't care what the snobs do, or take a perverse pride in the blue blood, or whatever it is that the snobs think makes them special, and indeed feel special-by-association. This feeling is a lot easier to sustain when there isn't a lot of contact between the classes/cliques. And, of course, regular doses of 'the plebs admire us' makes the snobs feel top dog, and that all is right with the world. Where it all goes to hell is in the situation that runs through the Kingslayer Chronicles of Patrick Rothfuss. Kvothe, who feels superior to others because of his demonstratable superior ability, (and his ethnic background) has to share university classes with Ambrose, the also talented (but not as talented) eldest son of one of the wealthiest nobles, from a land that cares more about status and class distinctions than anything else on earth. (Their society _really_ revolves around this. Much worse than what you are thinking, if you haven't read the book.) This means constant, relentless personal war between the two. |
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The idea of "if more then 3 snobs, morale damage stops" is freaking hilarious.