How does negotiation work?

[LJHalfbreed]

How does negotiation currently work? How does it affect negotiating for better job payments?

[Cory Trese]

You make a roll and you are paid more money based on the security of the location, your reputation and skill

[LJHalfbreed]

So basically is it a flat bonus, or one on a curve? Just curious as I am currently doing the 'easy Vinny trick' (do vinny missions against K.horizon only, stay in the same zone and rest every 5 missions) and I upped my negotiation from 0 to 1 and haven't seen a change.

I'll up it a bunch more and see how it works. Thanks!

[Cory Trese]

If you are making like under 200 per job then I doubt you'd see a big difference.

In the 2000-3000 / job range you will see a much larger increase in benefit from negotiation.

[Cory Trese]

and with 1 Negotiate you always fail the test =)

[Tenebrous Pirate]

Damn, there are jobs that pay 2-3k? Where do I find these?

[gravismetallum]

My biggest hauls for a single job are around 5-600 with a 6 negotiate

[Slide87]

!! Never found that richest job XDXD Where?!?!? =) yes,BTW,as Cory says,if u do a delivery/pickup job with low pay(50-100) the neg roll doesn't help...I have NEG 2 with my fresh gunslinger and in a 50Y job i have an increase of +40,if I well remember...=)There was a thread where this thing is analyzed...I'll try to search for u...=)

[Slide87]

Ok,this a old post,they were talking of Negotiate related to Market Places..I don't know if it's useful,if still it's valid,BTW...

Volyren Nightsong(misteriously disappeared ^^)
"Re: A Quick Sheet of Stats
« Reply #32 on Sept 29, 2011, 12:08am »

Yeah, ive noticed that pricing is going to be a problem. In the knight's bible, im just using an" estimated" price. I will attempt to find the values for a level 3 negotiate as the baseline, and everyone will know that it will be cheaper if theirs is higher. My guide is more or less just reference. I will only add the info found in game, so that when you view the guide, you could hold your phone up to the guide and they would look identical.
As soon as i can get the map and icon graphics, i can start putting together a first version so that the new players will have a visual reference instead of a massive block of text.

Good luck to you. Its a real pain to make it all over the map checking the stores... im still working on a few. My guide put more focus on being able to find what you are looking for, but given that cory is constantly adding and changing, im going to make it in such a way that not only can new pages or altered pages be added, but im going to have a spot where players can make their own notes, or add new weapons themselves, is they find one i missed, etc.
if i might make a suggestion for you?
moody, since you are using excel, you could actually have a price calculator!
just save up a couple of negotiate points worth of experience, and then pick an item.
Lets say you neg skill is 5.
its gotta be the same item, same version, same shop.
at neg 5, the price of a gun is 750.
raise your neg to 6
tthe price is now 675
now raise it to 7
the price becomes 600

Now you have enough data to determine that each point of negotiate dropped the price by 75¥. (THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE!!!)
all you have to do, is apply that to other items, and you can create a column in excel where you enter your negotiate skill, and it would calculate your price!
jjust thought that might work for you.
its the only way i know of to get around the price difference for each player.
Keep up the work!"

[Slide87]

Anyway,It could be nice to have a sort of homemade calculation for NEG ^_^ As TA(==> If i want to know my CP,i can calculate that^^)...Obviously if the calculation is ehm...OpenSource?? XD I don't know if Cory can or want to divulgate this XDXDXD

[gravismetallum]

So telling people "higher is better" is not good enough anymore? ;D

[Slide87]

Bwahahaha =) obviously not =) seriously,a more detailed help file could be nice...After Bug fixes =)

[gravismetallum]

I hear you Slide(or rather read you),but having every little detail all calculated out for you and toasted or whatever kinda removes you from the games immersion don't you think. I think such things draw away from RPG element and goes much more twords tactical...appropriate for TA but not as much for CK. More mystery makes the game a bit more of an adventure.

Though things very important to the survival of a knight are somewhat important to spell out,but beyond that its up to players...who do you think writes all those FAQs anyway?,not usually the devs.

Just my opinion.

[Slide87]

Yes,this is true..But sometimes(in CK,but also in ST) i don't understand why things happen...The best thind could be to add more explicative toasts/dialogues:
EG:U find a connector,ask him for a job,when u negotiate a toast appears:
"Your NEG skill roll(10) gave you a +35Y for this job",maybe in a more Cyberpunk way,of course(I'm lack of imagination^^)
This also could be applied in combat(EG:"Your FIREARMS skill roll(10) won on STEALTH enemy skill roll(7)"then the damage"...I don't want a Detailed D&D-style manual,only more transparency...=) In a Turnbased rpg,these things are almost a must-in...In an action-rpg not...=) It's my idea =) Then,if u don't want in ur CK game,TB could add an option that hides these boring toasts..=) It could be a conpromise(right word??)..

[Cory Trese]

I will keep working on updating the Help file and adding more details to the interface.

Additional Toasts are not really a good answer from my perspective as a game designer.

They're not going to help immerse the player. There are already all the details on the attack and defend screen.