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Post by Cory Trese on May 6, 2017 11:58:40 GMT -5
Right now the star atlas has eliminated the effect of the fog of exploration. You can select any planet in the quadrant, use the navigate button, and if it is a hidden planet you just do directly there. I think that hidden planets should not show up on your atlas as a place you can navigate to until after you discover them yourself. Sorry, that's not correct. Today, any planet that you cannot see in the fog is not listed in the Star Atlas. IE, when Fog is "No" you do not see the world in the atlas. This means that exploration of the fog is just as important as it was before. Thanks! |
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Post by grävling on May 6, 2017 12:15:57 GMT -5
Right now the star atlas has eliminated the effect of the fog of exploration. You can select any planet in the quadrant, use the navigate button, and if it is a hidden planet you just do directly there. I think that hidden planets should not show up on your atlas as a place you can navigate to until after you discover them yourself. Sorry, that's not correct. Today, any planet that you cannot see in the fog is not listed in the Star Atlas. IE, when Fog is "No" you do not see the world in the atlas. This means that exploration of the fog is just as important as it was before. Thanks! Perhaps that is how it is supposed to work, but that is not what is happening now. Today we have planets completely hidden. If you didn't have an atlas, you would have no idea whatsoever that the planet is there. You would have to explore to find them. Instead, you pull up your atlas, looking, for instance for a Farming world to sell looted Crop Harvesters. You find one listed. You set the waypoint from the atlas, and then go there. You fly directly to a hidden planet and reveal it, because that's the place you said to navigate to. I think that having Fog = No to mean that "There is lots of fog, you do not see the planet" is precisely backwards, that is what "Fog == Yes" should mean; but nevermind I will start paying attention to whether these hidden places I am finding this way are also marked as Fog == No in the atlas, and thus shouldn't be available (but are). The other possibility is that in my games many places that have Fog == Yes -- so, by your nominclature should have no fog at all, and be perfectly visible -- are hidden for me. |
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Post by grävling on May 6, 2017 12:35:15 GMT -5
Hmmm, from inside the quadrant there is no 'Fog:Yes' or 'Fog:No' for me at all, so I cannot check this. But I will duplicate it and send screenshots.
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Post by grävling on May 6, 2017 13:19:34 GMT -5
Okay. Files are here: www2.openend.se/~lac/ST2.2.11/atlas/atlas.zip if you want to take a look yourself. This is Captain Oghi you are looking for. I enter a new quadrant I have never visited before. What do I see?  It's zoomed out as far as it can go, so you can see that this is the whole quadrant. 4 wormholes, including the one I just arrived on. 6 visible planets. 1 is Rychart, 1 is Zenrin, and the Other 4 are Javat. But look at the atlas, and what do I see?   1 Rychart, 1 Zenrin, and 6 Javat. Thus there are 2 Javat worlds which are hidden, but I can get to via the atlas. Let's start visiting Javat worlds using the atlas Navigate, until I find one.  Got you. This is Tremyde. I couldn't see it when I arrived, because it was hidden, but I could navigate to it via the atlas. |
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Post by athios on May 8, 2017 1:37:48 GMT -5
Same here. Home Quadrant. No Zenrin or Indy worlds visible, but they show up on the Atlas.   |
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Post by fallen on May 8, 2017 18:38:34 GMT -5
Thanks, we'll keep working on improving.
Obviously very early rendition of the Atlas.
We wanted to get it out to players. We knew it had bugs / UI issues / missing data. Maybe next time we should wait.
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Post by grävling on May 8, 2017 18:40:47 GMT -5
Thanks, we'll keep working on improving. Obviously very early rendition of the Atlas. We wanted to get it out to players. We knew it had bugs / UI issues / missing data. Maybe next time we should wait. Oh No, getting the atlas out was Great and Wonderful. It's made things so much more fun. |
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Post by xdesperado on May 8, 2017 18:50:11 GMT -5
Actually like that atlas has places in it still covered by fog.
I figure you got a database from wherever, gives a listing but many details about a zone/planet are still missing until you go there.
Considering our captains aren't exploring uncharted space such a database makes sense.
Also remember contacts can send us to a specific destination on far side of galaxy where we've never been before so the information is available, just a matter of our captains finding/utalizing the available data.
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Post by athios on May 9, 2017 0:00:22 GMT -5
fallen no worries about bugs. This is normal. Glad to see this available in this version. Don't mistake bug reports as negative criticism.  Yeah, I don't mind either way whether the hidden planets are supposed to be visible on the Atlas or not. If the hidden planets are supposed to be unlisted, great, makes exploring a bit more meaningful. If the hidden planets are supposed to be listed, then it would be nice to hide their coordinates and remove their waypoint button. That way, you know there's such a planet out there, but still have to search for it.
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Post by Cory Trese on May 9, 2017 10:34:54 GMT -5
Fixed the issue where some games would show the places that are still covered in fog.
Thanks for the detailed report, it was an edge case I wasn't thinking about at all.
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Post by Cory Trese on May 9, 2017 10:35:46 GMT -5
Also remember contacts can send us to a specific destination on far side of galaxy where we've never been before so the information is available, just a matter of our captains finding/utalizing the available data. Any system that has a mission or contact destination is automatically included in your star atlas. |
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Post by grävling on May 9, 2017 12:36:08 GMT -5
 Wildernesses are missing their English descriptions for 'cache, harvest, etc.'. |
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Post by Cory Trese on May 9, 2017 13:06:53 GMT -5
Wildernesses are missing their English descriptions for 'cache, harvest, etc.'. Fixed for next. |
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Post by grävling on May 15, 2017 16:17:25 GMT -5
Alas, now we have the opposite problem from before. files here: www2.openend.se/~lac/ST2.2.13/atlasfiles.zipYou want Captain Wolf, Cadari MO.  Here is a new quadrant, one I have never visited before, completely zoomed out.  Zoom in a bit so you can see there is 1 Steel Song Planet, and 4 Zenrin ones visible.  But the Atlas only knows about 1 Steel Song and 2 Zenrin. |
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Post by grävling on May 15, 2017 16:30:38 GMT -5
This is a created-in-2.11 captain, now playing 2.13 if that makes any difference.
And, surprise, surprise -- once I landed on Cheseract, the Atlas now shows all the planets I can see.
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