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Post by drspendlove on Sept 3, 2017 21:48:23 GMT -5
So there are two talents that I'd like to learn how to use properly. One is Denounce (melee attack/debuff for 9 heat.) and the other is Honing (ranged attack/self-buff for 12 heat.) . I'm just not sure how to have a Captain effectively use either of these. They seem to have a high heat cost and compete with other seemingly necessary talents. Any advice?
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Post by fallen on Sept 3, 2017 22:11:14 GMT -5
Honing + Arc Fire is the best way to get mileage out of your Buff.
Denounce is all about the Templar you have backing your Captain up imho. You want to pair the debuff with this Templar, for example, a high crit Templar will benefit from the additional chance to crit a Denounced target. Due to its higher Heat cost, it isn't something you use on just anything, but Carapace, Goliath, Spawning Towers you need out of the way...
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Post by drspendlove on Sept 4, 2017 7:50:49 GMT -5
I was hoping there was a neat combo with Honing + some sword talent for a mixed sword/gun Captain.
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Post by En1gma on Sept 4, 2017 8:35:09 GMT -5
Honing and Arc are completely niche talents imo. I don't even consider them until I'm in my second run through of a game.
For a fraction of the heat, you can use the AoE talents and be much more effective
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Post by drspendlove on Sept 4, 2017 8:47:58 GMT -5
Isn't Arc an AoE?
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Post by Cory Trese on Sept 4, 2017 9:45:44 GMT -5
It sure is, a pretty awesome template.
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Post by drspendlove on Sept 5, 2017 8:39:03 GMT -5
Maybe on really easy settings (Easy or Normal) combined with some kind of special challenge mode, Denounce and/or Honing would shine as their heat cost wouldn't be debilitating... Now to think up a challenge...
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Post by drspendlove on Sept 15, 2017 13:43:27 GMT -5
Honing is a no-go. +12 Heat for what it offers is far too expensive. I'm baffled why it isn't +9 like Denounce. Even at +9 with its current stats I likely wouldn't use it. Splitting talent points between Honing and Arc-fire is just too weak for that heat cost to be worth dealing with. Any reason not to drop it to +9 heat and see if *someone* can find a use for it?
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Post by drspendlove on Sept 26, 2017 16:22:39 GMT -5
Is there a particular justification for making it exactly +12 heat instead of +9? I'm just curious from a game-dev standpoint, if nothing else.
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Post by Cory Trese on Sept 26, 2017 17:42:13 GMT -5
Just the way the balance worked out in the math
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Post by drspendlove on Sept 27, 2017 12:02:06 GMT -5
Sure, I just wanted to know how those maths worked.  If you don't have time to elaborate that's totally ok though. |
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Post by Arklash on Nov 22, 2017 0:32:42 GMT -5
I don't know Honing is far from being niche in my book. Coupled to Arc Fire and some Tactics you can reach 60% crit no buff no wargear.
Even better that the Scout. Packed with some Focus/Quickness you can see some pretty impressive numbers. Top of that limited AoE!
Now I know the sidearms are a bit lackluster, especially against narvs. Still you can use this build a fair portion of the game I'd say.
And don't fret too much about heat seriously. Willpower makes heat very manegeable and if you really run into trouble just bring an Engineer along.
Yeah Dennounce on the other hand... I get what you are saying, could support somehow but still seems the applications seem very limited.
Coupled with the fact that the captain is the most experienced unit (by far if you had a few deaths :x).
I mean you don't want him in support role!
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Post by Cory Trese on Nov 22, 2017 10:05:24 GMT -5
I do agree that sidearms are not ideal vs. Narvs.
That's one of the reasons we included respec.
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Post by drspendlove on Nov 22, 2017 10:16:39 GMT -5
Dude side-arms against the little worm narvs are amazing. And Arklash, what difficulty are you speaking with respect to when you mention that heat isn't a huge deal?
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Post by Cory Trese on Nov 22, 2017 10:24:48 GMT -5
Dude side-arms against the little worm narvs are amazing. And Arklash, what difficulty are you speaking with respect to when you mention that heat isn't a huge deal? Fair. Honestly, at this point you are probably better at the current BF meta than I am. I haven't played seriously since February and some of your analysis has definitely changed my thinking about some of the classes. I'll be back after Early Access tho |
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If you don't have time to elaborate that's totally ok though.