Shalun Law?

[HarryKILLSworth]

First of all I am thoroughly enjoying Moons of Endivios. This is the first campaigns/skirmish, I cant remember which. I just stepped off the Great Elevator, and encountered this message.

Rogue Captain stand down! Make this your moment of repentance, for Shalun Law dictates you will die in your next.

Shalun Law is Islamic Law, right? I may be wrong.

Repentance is a Christian belief. Again I may be wrong. Also, aren't the Templars Christian?

So.... Christians upholding Islamic Law? That's like a horse defending a lion's right to eat zebras....

[Cory Trese]

Wow, no, totally wrong.

Shalun Law is NOT Islamic Law. Not even close.

Shalun Law is a bastardization of the word "Shai-Hulud" from Dune, because I like saying "Shalun" it sounds good in my head.

The Laws of Shalun were created by the warrior-prophet Ardok Shalun following the Galactic War. They exist to ensure survival for mankind by enforcing a code of limited war, restricted trade and highly ritualized inter-planetary travel.

The group of humans knows as the "Star Traders" are a splinter group of refugees leaving the Galactic core behind, traveling toward a region of space known as the Farfallen Rim.

On this great migration they carry with them the Laws of Shalun.

[grävling]

Actually, Shalun is a *killer place to surf kayak*

see

www.wannasurf.com/spot/Asia/Taiwan/ShaLun/index.html

God, I want to do this so much!!!

[Rico's Roughnecks]

Sharia law is what you're thinking of

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

There is no god but shai-hulud and muad'dib is his prophet

[HarryKILLSworth]

I stand, corrected...... Long live Shalun Law!

[Cory Trese]

Shalun Law, like Sharia law, applies secular law to a society. Shalun did not get into the other aspects of like influenced by Sharia law, such as religion.

Shalun Law, because of it's significance in the lives of the Star Traders is often quoted and attributed religion levels of devotion.

Moreover the vast gap between the secular laws of Shalun and Sharia is large enough to fly an Oblitorator class starcruiser through.

[Rico's Roughnecks]

I probably shouldn't open this can of worms... I hope this doesn't turn into a political arguement. However, coincidentally speaking of Dune and islam, I read dune when I was a teenager and again recently and I realized the fremen are of muslim descent (the zen sunni wanderers) and the whole book is an undisguised parable of oil conflicts.

Post 9-11 this made the book much more unsettling. Its much harder to think of the fremen as the good guys using an ornithopter to kamikaze a troop transport and I have to compare that to modern terrorists. On the other hand, america can only be compared to the harkonnens making it harder to view our modern selves as the good guys. (Altho we are much less savage than harkonnens... a little waterboarding is nothing compared to orange gladiators)

So I guess there just are no good guys. Damn adulthood! It was so much simpler when I was a teenager and I knew everything.

This was just a rambling literary review. I hope I didn't inflame any political ire on either side.

[Cory Trese]

Warning: I am a huge Dune nerd.

Dune was primarily conceived in the late 1950s around Herbert's work and study of dry land ecology and the shifting dunes of Oregon.

Zensunni is supposedly 50/50 Buddism and Islam. I certainly see the thematic relationships that you highlight in your post but disagree with the summary that this is the "meaning" of Dune.

[gravismetallum]

@ricos Accurate or not, that's some damn insightful thinking.

Many books of days gone past can find new meanings in the passing of history.

[nails]

This thread runs deep

[blackgauntlet]

Okay, so Dune and real-world stuff aside, since Ardok Shalun is a Warrior-Prophet (much like Mohammed for Islam), what has he "saw" and prophesised? What/whom does he believe in?

[HarryKILLSworth]

Dec 19, 2011 0:37:14 GMT -5 Cory Trese said:

Zensunni is supposedly 50/50 Buddism and Islam. "meaning" of Dune.

Putting Buddism and Islam together makes no sense at all. Buddism is about aquring inner peace and sustaining ones life on minimal possession and substance, while having very little to no conflict with other bodies or nature.

Islam on the other hand is highly destructive and warlike. They will push the advancement of their religion forward, sacrificing life and limb of themselves and any and everyone and everything around them. Peace will only be achieved when any and everthing contradictory to islam is destroyed or killed.

Buddists also worship Budda. Muslims worship Allah.Worshipping any other god but Allah is highly contradictory to Islamic belief.

Putting the two together is like putting a dog and cat together and praying for peace. This will not happen, because eventually the cat is going to make war on the dog.

[absimiliard]

Harry, may I respectfully request that you take that up with the author (Frank Herbert) instead of with us? Religion can be an offensive topic for many and feels, to me, no more appropriate here than at the dinner table.

(and, yes, I know he's dead)

-abs

[Slide87]

Harry,some of ur suggestions are true,but in the extreme islamism(fondamentalist)... The simple muslim is a religious person that believes in Allah,as the simple Christian believes in God...=) They are different in usances,icons,ecc...u can view the religion like a war,i can accept this,but not in this way,man =) And i'm not religous =)

Anyway.....

Mua'dib!Mua'dib!!! I love those books...=)

[HarryKILLSworth]

@absimillard. Its okay to be offended by a posts. I stand by statements. It was merely a simple state of opinion.

@slide. I dont views religion as a war, but asg you stated the "extremist" that very much and realistically do exist, views things this way. The world is full of examples oc extremism imposing it will on those that chose not to voice opinions. Communism is a good example of this.