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Post by commiades on Mar 9, 2019 19:37:02 GMT -5
I have played HoS many times now, experimenting with different combinations. One I've struggled to make truly effective is Melee Selen. Mainly this is because PS is so effective and complements so many other skills.
Selen can defend well in melee, but has no AoE attacks. The closest is FB with a 1 AP weapon. Now with crafting, a bow can provide bonuses even if it's never used. Then it's a struggle to decide between FB or PB. I think it's either/or, as she needs points for other talents (especially when Death's Mantle becomes available). What's your experience?
I'm making it hard at the moment with VVKS. They have no debuffs, and the main accuracy bonuses are from leveling up attack talents. Vraes is taking Jugg and NM. Selen's PB 6 does help, but I can't help feeling I'm doing things with a hand tied behind my back (PS would make things easier all round). Selen has two 1 AP weapons at level 23 (going with Koda through the Underforge). Perhaps a single Tulwar will be viable, but with one blade she struggled to hit heavily armoured types.
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Post by crimsonking on Mar 10, 2019 3:56:53 GMT -5
A melee Selen is the ideal complement to a ranged/cursing Kyera. In fact, it is hard to set Kyera up for casting without making Selen a tank on nightmare. In this setup Selen functions not as a main damage dealer against mobs but should focus on the big targets. Mobs are easier to kill with Vincent/Kjartan/Tam anyway.
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Post by havnor on Mar 10, 2019 5:34:03 GMT -5
If you are looking for melee Selen in VVKS just play:
Vincent with Lvl2 Flash Freeze, and Thundering Blades
Kyera with Etheral Anguish = Accuracy and AP problem solved 😉
And naturaly you would need some offtank amd Selen is best candidate... so you will not miss her ranged when she is neck deep in ratkin kebap 😆.
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Post by fallen on Mar 10, 2019 10:53:30 GMT -5
Great builds ^^
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Post by commiades on Mar 10, 2019 13:13:24 GMT -5
Mobs are easier to kill with Vincent/Kjartan/Tam anyway. I'm aware there are deadlier combinations than VVKS. I chose it as a challenge. |
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Post by commiades on Mar 10, 2019 13:34:01 GMT -5
If you are looking for melee Selen in VVKS just play: Vincent with Lvl2 Flash Freeze, and Thundering Blades Kyera with Etheral Anguish = Accuracy and AP problem solved 😉 And naturaly you would need some offtank amd Selen is best candidate... so you will not miss her ranged when she is neck deep in ratkin kebap 😆. TB for Vincent runs up against wanting high FA on nightmare. He has FA 8, FF 2 and LS 6. Unless he's solely a debuffer TB is difficult to include. Kyera has Ban 7 and EA 4 now. I'll get EA to 6 for 4 AP opponents. This build isn't terrible. Vraes is developing nicely and Selen is a tank on defense. My questions are on whether to use PB or FB with Selen, and whether to aim for a 1 AP attack or continue to dual-wield. I'm also running KKKS with both Kincaid and Selen dual-wielding. With Kjartan's CA and Kincaid's FU, Selen's FB is deadly. Choosing Vincent over Kjartan for VVKS offers better AP debuffing and FA over MS (cheaper AP cost and wider spread) for controlling ranged attacks, but at the cost of CA. It's what makes PS so attractive for Selen. |
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Post by havnor on Mar 10, 2019 14:00:16 GMT -5
If you are looking for melee Selen in VVKS just play: Vincent with Lvl2 Flash Freeze, and Thundering Blades Kyera with Etheral Anguish = Accuracy and AP problem solved 😉 And naturaly you would need some offtank amd Selen is best candidate... so you will not miss her ranged when she is neck deep in ratkin kebap 😆. TB for Vincent runs up against wanting high FA on nightmare. He has FA 8, FF 2 and LS 6. Unless he's solely a debuffer TB is difficult to include. Kyera has Ban 7 and EA 4 now. I'll get EA to 6 for 4 AP opponents. This build isn't terrible. Vraes is developing nicely and Selen is a tank on defense. My questions are on whether to use PB or FB with Selen, and whether to aim for a 1 AP attack or continue to dual-wield. I'm also running KKKS with both Kincaid and Selen dual-wielding. With Kjartan's CA and Kincaid's FU, Selen's FB is deadly. Choosing Vincent over Kjartan for VVKS offers better AP debuffing and FA over MS (cheaper AP cost and wider spread) for controlling ranged attacks, but at the cost of CA. It's what makes PS so attractive for Selen. With new strength/or old dex melee Vincent you shouldn't have a problem. LVL 2 FF and TB and ES can also be successful build with tiny debuffer role early game and reliable elemental DMG for team. |
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Post by commiades on Mar 10, 2019 15:40:15 GMT -5
TB for Vincent runs up against wanting high FA on nightmare. He has FA 8, FF 2 and LS 6. Unless he's solely a debuffer TB is difficult to include. With new strength/or old dex melee Vincent you shouldn't have a problem. LVL 2 FF and TB and ES can also be successful build with tiny debuffer role early game and reliable elemental DMG for team. I'll look again at melee Vincent. I tend to get him killed! ES and TB complement each other. They need to advance in tandem. |
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Post by havnor on Mar 10, 2019 19:49:47 GMT -5
With new strength/or old dex melee Vincent you shouldn't have a problem. LVL 2 FF and TB and ES can also be successful build with tiny debuffer role early game and reliable elemental DMG for team.  I'll look again at melee Vincent. I tend to get him killed! ES and TB complement each other. They need to advance in tandem. Kyera for healing and Vincent with Constitution(also full hp gear if you feel you need more survivalibity and have enough dmg) and just enough Strength is the way to go if you get him killed often. Anyway back to the topic for your group definitely go Selen with fast PB... at max she will do really good team buff with it... probably use just two one-AP swords to apply it to many targets.  |
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Post by commiades on Mar 10, 2019 21:49:40 GMT -5
Thanks, I find some talents are necessary for big fights, like FA and AP debuffing. Regular fights often don't need them. I've found melee Vincent a little underwhelming, but possibly a new challenge. With Juggernaut Vraes Selen's PB does seem worth it.
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Post by commiades on Apr 21, 2019 1:54:02 GMT -5
I'm thinking about this again. I keep struggling to get the synergy for a melee Selen to work. If she were to go for lots of elemental damage, which is effective with 1 ap weapons, she needs Fyona and HS. You could take Vincent for the ranged ap debuffing, and that is effective; late game he's great with melee attacks and Fyona's HS. Kincaid is a possibility for AP debuffing and CS, or with accuracy debuffing using DS. That is a build that might have no ranged attacks or only short ranged ones. Vincent would take a while to get past raising FF, but it could work (I still like him to work on FA too, which could be an overload).
The other option is to go for critical damage, but 1 ap weapons struggle to get crit dmg to make this really exciting. I think Kincaid is better synergy again than Vraes, as he adds debuffs, but Kyera and Kjartan could work for this. Kjartan has Immolation and CA, while Kyera adds the early and ranged AP debuffing that Kjartan lacks. I have tried this, and it's suffered a few deaths in a boost in that petered out partway through the CoD. It just wasn't that exciting. Maybe I was doing it wrong.
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Post by crimsonking on Apr 21, 2019 2:27:19 GMT -5
I'dnot go with Melee Selen and Fyona plus AP cursing Vincnt as that combination will be really melee heavy and too light on ranged attacks.
On the other hand you can always outfit Selen with a 1AP blade in the main hand and a 2AP blade in the off hand. Add damage and crit buffs and she will be hitting very hard, though not as hard as the Vraes.
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Post by anrdaemon on Apr 29, 2019 14:30:19 GMT -5
In truth, there's many ways to build your party and make it viable.
Some just easier than the other.
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Post by commiades on Apr 29, 2019 18:18:12 GMT -5
In truth, there's many ways to build your party and make it viable. Some just easier than the other. And some more satisfying than others. |
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Post by anrdaemon on May 9, 2019 5:44:35 GMT -5
That's subjective.
Somebody may find satisfaction in achieving the seemingly impossible.
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