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Post by xdesperado on Feb 21, 2013 1:17:43 GMT -5
Probably just my own failure as a player but finding it rather difficult to advance the MnB storyline.
Personally think it might be a good idea to have one or more NPCs that are a bit more involved in directing players actions after leaving the tunnels to help move the story along. Without a bit more direction there is little to differentiate between trying to be an active participant in an unfolding story with a defined plot, and normal sandbox play where your creating your own completely free form story.
I'm forcing myself to try and stay busy doing jobs with Fenniens and BS and talking to Cava and Texas regularly but still feel like there is no real sense of direction or urgency to the storyline.
If I've somehow missed something would love to hear what and how to fix it, as I would like to follow the complete story arc through to its conclusion.
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2013 5:29:54 GMT -5
You are supposed to be talking to Lt Simon, not Texas to move the storyline along.
Did you talk to Moxa to get the information about Simon?
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Post by fallen on Feb 21, 2013 9:24:39 GMT -5
xdesperado - would it help if Moxa or the others had more dialogs "goading" you along? And as grävling noted, you want to talk to Lt. Simon. Did you work with Moxa to get across the wall?
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2013 9:30:59 GMT -5
xdesperado - would it help if Moxa or the others had more dialogs "goading" you along? And as grävling noted, you want to talk to Lt. Simon. Did you work with Moxa to get across the wall? I think the real problem is that all of these things are 'pulls'. What we want, really, is a 'push'. One way would be _you_ had a V-chip and people could phone you. Ring Ring! Your computer says to get to a working Matrix Connection, as somebody wants to have a secure conversation with you. (Let's hope its not telemarketers). Or perhaps you could code some urchins that can accost you in the streets and have dialogs with you and hand you messages. Then have one of them bother you in the middle of you conducting your own business with a message that Luka wants to chat. |
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Post by xdesperado on Feb 21, 2013 11:23:01 GMT -5
Yes I dealt with Moxa and crossed the wall. Have talked to Simon the one time (no V-chip or other way that I can find to talk to him again as I just get blown off at the front desk of Wiengarts[sp]) fallen yes more dialog would definitely help. grävling like your ideas about goading the character along. The story needs a hint of urgency or at least of some sort of momentum. Part of it also is that the character should be feeling a certain loss of control over his own life. Coming out of the tunnels I agreed to keep working with Luka, Mercer and Mars, yet after the first call I placed to them they have no dialog for me. As I stated in my initial post, despite supposedly being a central protagonist in a story, I've been left almost entirely to my own devices on wether or not that story actually ever occurs, despite choosing to be part of it. Making me work a bit to move things along, and giving me a bit more freedom are great, but think it all needs a bit more direction somehow. One question what does your rep need to be to get Cava to actually produce anything? Right after leaving the tunnels I briefly had it over 100 with the Finns and nothing. Let it drop way down and now have it back up to over 60.  |
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2013 11:58:28 GMT -5
You are getting blown off at Weingarts because your BS rep is too low. Until it is higher the story will not progress.
I am not sure how much more than 100 you need for Cava to give you something, because I don't really care. From my perspective there is nothing that the Fennians can do after you leave the Tunnels and get the first payout from Cava, (the one that you get when you meet), but waste your time. Nothing you do for them advances the plot one bit.
Find yourself a BS connector -- it most certainly doesn't have to be the one at Weingarts who gives out jobs that you like, and do a lot of them. If you are still using a 2 job computer, your next purchase should be for a larger one, because it is very hard to gain rep with only a 2 job computer.
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Post by Swami on Feb 21, 2013 12:56:23 GMT -5
I am not sure how much more than 100 you need for Cava to give you something, because I don't really care. From my perspective there is nothing that the Fennians can do after you leave the Tunnels and get the first payout from Cava, (the one that you get when you meet), but waste your time. Nothing you do for them advances the plot one bit. You get something from Cava for first coming up from the tunnels? I have gotten nothing. |
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2013 12:58:46 GMT -5
I am not sure how much more than 100 you need for Cava to give you something, because I don't really care. From my perspective there is nothing that the Fennians can do after you leave the Tunnels and get the first payout from Cava, (the one that you get when you meet), but waste your time. Nothing you do for them advances the plot one bit. You get something from Cava for first coming up from the tunnels? I have gotten nothing. He gave me some cash at the first conversation. |
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Post by xdesperado on Feb 21, 2013 13:30:23 GMT -5
grävling thanks for the help. Finally started to get something at Weingarts from Lt. Simon. Since I exited the tunnels with close to 30k one of the first things I did was buy a 3 job computer so that's not been an issue. The fact that you need a decent rep with BS to advance the story is a real pain and not obvious at all. Your told to work with Cava and Moxa when your ready for tougher stuff but things sorta stall after that since there isn't a big push to have you generating BS rep. Definitely liking your idea of having someone contacting you semi regularly to try motivating you in the right directions. Problem may be from my time playing in sandbox where I usually tried to keep positive rep with most of the factions and so rarely have high rep (above 40 or 50) with any of them. Of course LV and KH tend to be my whipping boys and I usually have horrible rep with them. LOL
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2013 13:34:19 GMT -5
I always want good rep with KH because I always want to use their Thopters.
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Post by xdesperado on Feb 21, 2013 13:47:51 GMT -5
With the taxi lockdown thing now in place I might have to be nicer to KH in the future. LOL.
Previously I had several taxis including a couple that would pick up even in fairly high heat so...
Actually in sandbox isn't one of Cava's ladder bonuses a taxi that will run in some hotter areas than Benni and McFly?
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2013 13:55:13 GMT -5
On further reflection, I think that giving Cavas chip to MnB is a mistake. I think that it quite understandably gives the MnB character the idea that it would be a good idea to do Cavas jobs. And I think this is very poor advice.
If you were playing in the sandbox, then the first jobs that Cava gives you are to ganger lands south of the wall. But at the rep that you arrive with, Cava wants to send you to KH and Yakuza lands up the east coast. And MnB is probably not skilled enough for KH lands. If MnB is not skilled enough, working with Cava will get him killed. If MnB is skilled enough, then he might as well start working for BS. Working for Cava will not give MnB what he probably needs -- plenty of jobs in south Ganger lands. If that is what you need you have to seek out other Fennian connectors for that.
So why does Luka put these two together?
Instead, I think that MnB should be strongly encouraged by Luka and Mercer to mend fences with Los V and the Streets, by doing jobs for them, repeatedly until they stop hating your guts. With a recommendation that you do jobs out of Tuckmores.
At severely negative rep, Tuckmore only gives you jobs for pick and and deliver around Roxbury Crossing, and message delivery to Yakuza. Getting the rep down to neutral is a challenge, the jobs aren't very hard, and by the time you have done them you ought to have enough XP points that you can face Encounters in BS land, assuming that you have a strategy for Horizon Drones and Predator Drones that works .... You should have had plenty of fights so your skill should be improved there.
That would seem to be the right time to get approached by somebody who likes your style and thinks that you are wasted south of the wall and should get in on some exciting new opportunities.
Just the way I am seeing it.
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Post by grävling on Feb 21, 2013 13:57:25 GMT -5
With the taxi lockdown thing now in place I might have to be nicer to KH in the future. LOL. Previously I had several taxis including a couple that would pick up even in fairly high heat so... Actually in sandbox isn't one of Cava's ladder bonuses a taxi that will run in some hotter areas than Benni and McFly? Alas, only in Sandbox. If you play MnB Cava will absolutely not give you that taxi connection, which to my mind is the only reason to deal with the Fennians at all. The problem is that this is a very early Cava reward, and you join his ladder too high to get it. There is no provision for 'give me the earlier reward'. Fallen has said that he might do something about this in the future. |
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Post by xdesperado on Feb 21, 2013 14:19:27 GMT -5
With the taxi lockdown thing now in place I might have to be nicer to KH in the future. LOL. Previously I had several taxis including a couple that would pick up even in fairly high heat so... Actually in sandbox isn't one of Cava's ladder bonuses a taxi that will run in some hotter areas than Benni and McFly? Alas, only in Sandbox. If you play MnB Cava will absolutely not give you that taxi connection, which to my mind is the only reason to deal with the Fennians at all. The problem is that this is a very early Cava reward, and you join his ladder too high to get it. There is no provision for 'give me the earlier reward'. Fallen has said that he might do something about this in the future. That may be the breakdown in the current setup. Getting the better taxi would be a good reason to work with Cava, but if MnB doesn't allow that reward then like you say Cava becomes rather pointless except as a contact to call for possible jobs. Also letting your rep with Finnian fall way down then rebuilding it still won't let you gain any of Cava's early rewards...  |
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Post by Swami on Feb 21, 2013 14:28:31 GMT -5
Also letting your rep with Finnian fall way down then rebuilding it still won't let you gain any of Cava's early rewards... This is true even if you lower your rep in the tunnels before you leave them.  |
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