luxury rations?

[4BIN4D3R]

this may have been answered before but how exactly do luxury rations work and is there a cap for them (like spice for the pilot capping the bonus at 10% of the hold +pilot bonus per unit) or is it limitless. If i carry 15 luxury rations on a 70 hold ship will i be capped off at 7? Please explain what they do as well.

[rsgong]

Luxury rations are used after you run out of fuel/water. They are used at a slower rate then fuel/water. The more you have when you run out of water, the longer it will be before they mutiny. I'm not certain, but I think I remember seeing somewhere that they help some with moral. Not certain about that however.

[4BIN4D3R]

So... does that mean they are like condensed water-fuel? I thought they supplement your fuel and inhibit morale loss in deep space.

[rsgong]

Here is my understanding to how it works. Having them onboard inhibits morale loss in deep space. When your water fuel gets to 0, you no longer have water for the crew because it is all in the engines. The crew can get some condensate and when they get desperate they try to collect ice. While you have luxury rations, the crew has food and doesn't need to use water on the freeze-dried rations. The condensate is used for drinking (plus recycled water). Thus, no mutiny. 

Oh, and they are very expensive compared to normal rations, so are used as a last resort.

[4BIN4D3R]

Im not following...

[rsgong]

Luxury rations cannot fuel your ship. When your water-fuel is 0, there is no water in the tanks for the crew to drink, use for their normal rations, ect. There is water in your engine reactors to power your ship. This is what produces the water ice that your crew dies trying to collect.

Luxury rations give your crew food, supplemented by whatever water they were able to collect. One unit of luxury rations feeds the crew longer then one unit of water-fuel does.

I hope that is more clear.

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Jul 6, 2013 20:56:03 GMT -5 rsgong said:

Here is my understanding to how it works. Having them onboard inhibits morale loss in deep space. When your water fuel gets to 0, you no longer have water for the crew because it is all in the engines. The crew can get some condensate and when they get desperate they try to collect ice. While you have luxury rations, the crew has food and doesn't need to use water on the freeze-dried rations. The condensate is used for drinking (plus recycled water). Thus, no mutiny. 

Oh, and they are very expensive compared to normal rations, so are used as a last resort.

Correct. Luxury Rations give the following bonus:
- consumed when Water-Fuel hits 0 to prevent morale loss ( and eventually mutiny)
- more expensive than water
- can be consumed at a faster or slower rate than water
- Luxury ration consumption rate based on crew size and negotiate. Generally luxury rations will consume less fuel except with big crew. They also have the huge advantage of not being affected by deep-space accidents, which happens often and can lead to significant increases in water consumption
- Decreases rate of morale decline in space with Water-Fuel. More with first mate.

There is no limit to the bonus of luxury rations.

Intimidate + Luxury Rations + First Mate + Vodka + Military helps prevent morale loss.

[4BIN4D3R]

So if you carry all luxury rations you wont get affected by any deep space accidents?

Edit: im not following

[xdesperado]

Water-Fuel is not normal drinking water and is not required for survival.
The crews of ships in the Quadrant consume the W-F for superstitious reasons not for survival.
Basic survival rations are not factored into ST cargo.
Luxury rations are high quality foods and liquors the crew doesn't normally get. Their ability to reduce morale loss is in effect the captain buying them off/molifing their unrest due to shortage/lack of their normal W-F rations.
Crew dieing while trying to collect W-F aren't looking for drinking water but the requirements needed to operate the ships engine and sails.

Note in reality consuming W-F would kill you in short order as it's the equivalent of drinking the "heavy water" used to cool the core of a nuclear reactor nowdays.

[Cory Trese]

When the Ship runs out of Water-Fuel the Crew must collect and process ice and condensation to fuel the Void Reactor.

That means, when there is no Water-Fuel the Captain is ordering the Crew to do crazy stuff -- void walks in Leviathan, crawling around inside the Solar Sail arrays and vacuuming up water condensation from the void coils.

The ship keeps running but the Crew is not happy about it because they will die. Collecting Water-Fuel risks many deep space accidents.

Deep Space Accidents will cause severe morale loss. Collecting Water-Fuel will cause moderate morale loss.

Luxury Rations are a bribe for the Crew. They are consumed in flat units (1.0, 2.0, 3.0) instead of floating units like Water-Fuel (0.48, 1.28, 3.12.)

I hope that makes sense ...

[4BIN4D3R]

So. If your traveling in deepspace and lets say your water-fuel economy there is 2.48, you can travel longer if you run on just luxury rations. Shouldn't there be a feature where you can switch between the two? If im in deepspace i do not want to waste all my water-fuel before i start to use my flat rate luxury rations.

[Cory Trese]

Jul 7, 2013 0:07:10 GMT -5 4BIN4D3R said:

So. If your traveling in deepspace and lets say your water-fuel economy there is 2.48, you can travel longer if you run on just luxury rations. Shouldn't there be a feature where you can switch between the two? If im in deepspace i do not want to waste all my water-fuel before i start to use my flat rate luxury rations.

Luxury Rations are not flat rate, they just aren't rounded -- if your equation calls for 2.48 Luxury Rations you use up 3.0 units in your hold. Only Water-Fuel can be broken down into 0.01 units.

Regarding your question -- you do NOT want to travel on just Luxury Rations. They are strictly a backup.

You want to have Water-Fuel for the reactor, or your Crew has to risk accidents (Solar, Engine, Crew Damage) gathering 2.48 units of W/F per turn.

Sure, you're only spending 2.0 units of Luxury Rations (which is more credits than 2.48 Water-Fuel, btw) but you are risking your Ship and Crew.

Luxury Rations are a potentially profitable trade good (many trade routes for LR) and they are insurance against running out of W/F.

[4BIN4D3R]

I think i get it thanks i should just keep about <10% of my hold as luxury rations like i have been doing. If im running on those at least im immune to accidents.

[Cory Trese]

Jul 7, 2013 9:21:37 GMT -5 4BIN4D3R said:

I think i get it thanks i should just keep about <10% of my hold as luxury rations like i have been doing. If im running on those at least im immune to accidents.

Nope, if you are "running on Luxury Rations" (AKA, out of Water-Fuel) you are at 300% more likely to have accidents.

[4BIN4D3R]

So i should have all water-fuel unless im dealing in luxury rations for trade? Having luxury rations is just a good that CAN be used as a fuel source but not very well