Nightmare: Is it too Easy?

[Karjus]

While a thread on NM is going on, I'm very curious to hear how many/regularly others drink potions?

I've had one complete on the Ratkin Shaman where I must have quaffed about 20 power total, all in that one fight and current playthrough I've used 5 total also all in that one fight (1 was me being lazy, to have enough spirit to disarm traps without going back out to rest).

[ntsheep]

The amount of potions you can go through is maybe the only downside to nightmare, but then again that's what makes it harder and more of a challenge. Do you want to spend money on better weapons/armor or stock up on potions to get through the battles. It all depends on your personal style of play.

[Cory Trese]

I play on Nightmare (without dying) and beat to the Baron with 0 restarts.

I have no Gold and I drink potions nearly every turn.

I also play for turns, so that means minimal camping and avoiding walking back to town.

[abysmal]

I only bought sp potions...even on nm i find health potions pretty useless. With permadeath I can get all they way up to the shamin before vraes brain becomes goop and he dies.

I'd thought what I'd do, was pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes- Catcher in the Rye/G.I.T.S SAC

[fallen]

I drink and buy a lot more Tinctures than I do potions.

[slayernz]

Jan 29, 2014 13:15:03 GMT -5 Cory Trese said:

I play on Nightmare (without dying) and beat to the Baron with 0 restarts.

I have no Gold and I drink potions nearly every turn.

I also play for turns, so that means minimal camping and avoiding walking back to town.

You and Rabid are just plain nuts. We love you dearly, but you're out of your gourd. I also thought you were like that when you kept insisting "Impossible" was fun in ST. Okay after getting used to it, I had to agree, but I'm not yet ready to embrace the insanity on HoS juuuuuuuuust yet.

[algesan]

Hmmmm.... With my current party, playing carefully, I could possibly do that. The weakness now is Vraes who could use a talent point reallocation.

[Karjus]

Alright. The Gatehouse fight is mental. If you manage it on NM, I'd like to hear what strategy you used!

[algesan]

VS. the general? Only done it once so far and screwdriver up royally so had to take a reset. My best guess is to charge back across the bridge, kill the Orcin & his few buddies, then either hold the bridge or fall back around the corner and take them piecemeal.

[Cory Trese]

Jan 30, 2014 9:13:40 GMT -5 Karjus said:

Alright. The Gatehouse fight is mental. If you manage it on NM, I'd like to hear what strategy you used!

Depends -- are you built with an AoE attack spell like Immolation/Spear?

That fight is savage -- depending on room spawns, you sometimes have fight off the platform.

[Karjus]

Jan 30, 2014 12:55:43 GMT -5 Cory Trese said:

Jan 30, 2014 9:13:40 GMT -5 Karjus said:

Alright. The Gatehouse fight is mental. If you manage it on NM, I'd like to hear what strategy you used!

Depends -- are you built with an AoE attack spell like Immolation/Spear?

That fight is savage -- depending on room spawns, you sometimes have fight off the platform.

Currently I have zero AOEs. I'm saving talent points for Kyera/Tamlin/Karjtan's level 18th talents instead of putting them into the weaker AOEs. And I suppose saving is incorrect, not bothering to put points in Firebolt/Immolation, and Holy Retribution. Both Firestorm and Banishment hit vastly more targets, for more damage, and for very little extra SP cost. This is the first time lacking any AOE really kicked me in the butt though I'm still not sure how it would have made the fight easier. I was unlucky enough to have enough archers spawn, spread out, that despite trying various tactics someone would die in that first round.

[hampton]

Nightmare is too easy because the game isnt smart. Monsters are tougher and more numerous but fall to the same simple tactics as my play through on normal. I realize there are limits to AI with 32mb but something should be tweaked. Nm mode should be extremely difficult to beat but i am getting by using mostly standard attacks coupled with ash3 and proper positioning. I usually back everyone up the first round then use cleric to slow some of them with anguish to stagger their arrival to my chosen battlesite. Wizard puts ash on everyone and helps with fireballs if the archer or warrior doesn't kill them first. Only being surrounded is a real challenge.

[fallen]

hampton - thanks for the feedback, we continue to work on the AI and difficulty balancing. This next release will add some new challenges and tweaks to the Prologue and Episode 1.

[Cory Trese]

Feb 9, 2014 20:13:06 GMT -5 hampton said:

Nightmare is too easy because the game isnt smart. Monsters are tougher and more numerous but fall to the same simple tactics as my play through on normal. I realize there are limits to AI with 32mb but something should be tweaked. Nm mode should be extremely difficult to beat but i am getting by using mostly standard attacks coupled with ash3 and proper positioning. I usually back everyone up the first round then use cleric to slow some of them with anguish to stagger their arrival to my chosen battlesite. Wizard puts ash on everyone and helps with fireballs if the archer or warrior doesn't kill them first. Only being surrounded is a real challenge.

Good, I am glad you have mastered fighting the tier 1 monster set.

The skills you have developed relative to interweaving skills and correctly positioning your party will help in the next episode.

If you have beaten the Baron with no defeats using Standard Attacks .... can you send me your saved game? I'd love to run the replay on it!

[hampton]

I beat the baron, but with a couple deaths in norm mode.  My nm game is now in riven field with no deaths.  I use standard attacks 75% of the time.  Sometimes I need to boost in order to hit.  I can't imagine how I could get past the guardhouse without dying though.