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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 12, 2016 15:29:31 GMT -5
FU is already pretty well inline with say thundering blades, so not any more over powered than those elemental group dmg buffs. FU has better acc than TB and -maybe- better damage if you have no -res and limited elemental gear but TB does markedly more damage than FU typically with -res cursing and and other elemental gear, and burning blades even more so damage wise thanks to crits at the expense of acc.
All the buffing/cursing and attacking talents in the game are ok to great and really depend on team dynamics. If we're lucky we'll see a few more tweaks here and there for some laggard's like steel and shadow, maybe some str added to NM etc. IMO tho if we get too many negatives added to balance out some of the highs it may push it past my ability to comprehend the combats dynamics even more than my current weaknesses.
With real AoE choices, cursing attacks and a group buff like FU Kincaid allows for very different dynamics than Vraes who is a bit better tank imo and a bit better single target killer. As a general rule I think kincaid is a bit better for my play style until high end jugg is available, after which I may like Vraes more, since I like battles to go quickly.
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Post by Cory Trese on Mar 12, 2016 17:26:31 GMT -5
I tried to convince Andrew to give a +MP Attack buff to the Paladin, but I think he had too many counter-arguments  |
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 12, 2016 17:33:03 GMT -5
I think you could split it between her buffs ZS and CD, she does need it more than anyone cause she doesn't have the range of the other two without it, Kj and Ky.
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Post by Cory Trese on Mar 12, 2016 17:33:58 GMT -5
I tried that angle of attack  fallen has a lot of Spreadsheets |
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 12, 2016 17:48:36 GMT -5
I tried that angle of attack fallen has a lot of Spreadsheets Well he is off right now, right? |
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Post by xdesperado on Mar 12, 2016 18:07:56 GMT -5
Thinking Lunge is more in need of some love  |
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Post by En1gma on Mar 12, 2016 18:13:58 GMT -5
Omg if lunge had the same walk-through effect as Juggernaut.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 12, 2016 18:30:12 GMT -5
Lunge only looks bad because the rest of his talents are awesome... Fyona getting even short term mp boosting would still be preferred by me. I wouldn't sneer at an improved lunge tho... Maybe he steps forward then attacks... That would make sense to me, but then he'd need a different range one talent to start.  |
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Post by xdesperado on Mar 12, 2016 18:44:48 GMT -5
Lunge only looks bad because the rest of his talents are awesome... Fyona getting even short term mp boosting would still be preferred by me. I wouldn't sneer at an improved lunge tho... Maybe he steps forward then attacks... That would make sense to me, but then he'd need a different range one talent to start. Thinking more about added effects for higher levels, give us reason to seriously consider raising lunge instead of investing in his other attack talents. All his other attack talents get AoE at some point not to mention other effects. Keeping lunge single target but giving it some +MP +AP at higher levels similar to Vraes Juggernaut could make it a more compelling option than it is currently. |
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 12, 2016 18:50:26 GMT -5
Except lunge is starting, low sp cost, almost identical to ssw in all respects. While jugg is a lvl 18 and high sp cost...
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Post by xdesperado on Mar 12, 2016 19:25:36 GMT -5
Except lunge is starting, low sp cost, almost identical to ssw in all respects. While jugg is a lvl 18 and high sp cost... Hmm hadn't noticed it before but your right, Lunge and SSW are identical as far as SP, Acc and Dmg. Probably why I never bothered raising SSW on any of my Vraes builds either SP Drain gear has really changed the equation making those very low SP cost talents feeling underpowered since it's now much easier to handle the higher SP cost of other talents. Not sure what if anything could/should be done about that though. As starting empowered attacks they shouldn't be overpowered obviously, yet I'd like them to be something I'd really consider investing in as a core talent. Perhaps give SSW a small cross shaped AoE at higher levels (it is an arcing attack from the name.) And do some sort of limited +MP/AP type thing with Lunge. Would make them interesting options and help make them more distinctive. |
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Post by anrdaemon on Mar 12, 2016 19:27:04 GMT -5
Just decorate Fyona with +1 MP ring. Surprisingly, that little boost makes hell of a lot of difference.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 12, 2016 19:56:31 GMT -5
Just decorate Fyona with +1 MP ring. Surprisingly, that little boost makes hell of a lot of difference. Everyone can get one or more thru gear tho, not really enough to make up for high mp groups, but yes, if you can keep within 1mp of the next slowest it can make a big difference... |
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Post by anrdaemon on Mar 12, 2016 19:59:16 GMT -5
Right now, I have +1 MP gear on Kjartan and Fyona, +2 MP from Blacknight and +3 MP from Burst of Speed.
Makes hell of a lot of difference. Consider +2 attacks each turn of difference.
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Mar 12, 2016 20:17:41 GMT -5
Right now, I have +1 MP gear on Kjartan and Fyona, +2 MP from Blacknight and +3 MP from Burst of Speed. Makes hell of a lot of difference. Consider +2 attacks each turn of difference. Try +5 +6 +0 +3 for max before gear. You're giving a mid-level +mp appraisal not high level. |
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