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Post by riverjack on Nov 16, 2015 20:44:28 GMT -5
I am amazed you survive with that many unspent skill points! it's frustrating as hell but i know as soon as i dump all the points into sword ill loot the best damn 1h spear in the game.... |
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Post by fallen on Nov 16, 2015 21:36:13 GMT -5
riverjack - and then a little while later, you'll find a better sword  See my post earlier about E4 rewards.
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Post by anrdaemon on Nov 17, 2015 4:15:35 GMT -5
I am amazed you survive with that many unspent skill points! it's frustrating as hell but i know as soon as i dump all the points into sword ill loot the best damn 1h spear in the game.... At the same rate you could loot a throwing knives. The point being, if you can't use item, it can be anything, it just doesn't matter. If you have 16 points in swords, you just don't look at spears or maces - they are irrelevant for your build. Looted one? Vendored at nearest occasion and call it a day. |
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Post by En1gma on Nov 17, 2015 5:30:17 GMT -5
Why don't you post your build, riverjack, and maybe we can all help suggest which weapon type would best fit your team? Could help alleviate some of the guesswork... |
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Post by Cory Trese on Nov 17, 2015 11:08:26 GMT -5
Totally. based on what Talents you've purchased you are probably already best suited for a particular weapon.
"Best X" in the game isn't the weapon you want to use based on the build anyway. You should spend those skills.
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Post by En1gma on Nov 17, 2015 12:42:10 GMT -5
There is no one true 'best' weapon type-- though I still believe Spears need a damage boost, but that has been brought up a few times to no avail  |
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Nov 17, 2015 12:55:19 GMT -5
As long as you're successfully hitting with Ssw and you have headroom to raise it, I'd still go longer lasting ssk and phalanx. If you need the parry for whatever reason then go with what has been working for you, a hammer. Although Vraes is the only one who likes spears In that example, you could do 5,5,5 hammers (spears), lore, leadership... You'd hit and defend melee more often, plus you'd get 5 extra turns of ssk and phalanx, possibly leaving more sp for ssw... |
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Post by En1gma on Nov 17, 2015 18:08:09 GMT -5
Another radical idea would be to pick one as a primary weapon type. Put points into it at a 2:1:1 ratio with the others. This brings up all your weapon types while giving you a go-to weapon class.
Once you have these points spent, you would begin investing in Natural Mastery, which would bring up ALL of his weapon skills.
The end result here would be a jack of all trades, who is able to utilize any weapon (non-Dex) to great effect. Backing him up would need Pinning Shot or Ash to keep his accuracy up.
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Post by riverjack on Nov 17, 2015 19:27:31 GMT -5
so i went ahead and said hell with it and put them into spears. two reasons, one i have seen Cory extolling the virtues of spears in numerous threads, and two.. all the damn orcin use spears and they seem to know what they are doing... lol.
anyhow you guys offered to have me post my chars, id be a damn fool to pass this up. heres my sheet, second real game ive played on Hard, never been in CoD. the underswamps for storm brothers is my last ep3 content before CoD, with 100% map clears including all respawns (lol i think i have cleared both sides of bone pass about 5-6 times).
here we go:
vreas lvl 33:
i drive exclusively with vreas.
13 str, 7 dex, 10 con, 5 will, 6 int, 3 kno
16 (20) pole, 8 lead, 9 lore
146 armor, 1428 hp, 10% sp drain
StoneSk 8, Phalanx 10, SSweep 3, Mastery 3
all worn gear is acc and dps based, this actually seems to work since i stacked stone and phalanx with warders shield.
thinking my next two points will go into Stone. or perhaps onto burst of speed, not sure.
kjarten level 33:
3 str, 4 dex, 12 con, 7 wis, 12 int, 6 kno
2 pole, 16 sorc, 10 conj, 2 lore
70 armor, 18 acc, 35 all resists. 20% sp drain
fireball 10, ash 8, firestorm 6.
staff of nahanna
this char build seems to be working fine, i am not sure where to put my next two points, probably bring firestorm up to 8. after that 2 more into ash.
tamilin level 33, my favorite char.
5 str, 14 dex, 8 con, 4 will, 9 int, 4 kno
1 blade, 16 bow, 16 lore, 3 sec, 3 stealth
53 armor, 20 acc, 27% crit, 20% sp drain
RO 5, Aimed 5, DI 10, blacknight 2
iceheart bow from fang quest
i like this char, she consistently destroys everything and doesnt complain. i guess next 2-4 talents will be moving up RO? not sure.. blacknight is kinda ok for the movement but i only drive with Vreas so dont care about stealth.
kyera...lvl 33: the worst character in the original 4. i hate this useless chick. i really do. shes on her THIRD respec and she still sucks (but this is the best one so far)
4 str, 3 dex, 12 con, 4 will, 11 int, 10 kno
2 ham, 2 pole, 16 invo, 8 conjure, 11 lore
128 armor, 0 acc, 18 dodge, 15 parry, 43 all resist
banish 5, tears 4, EA 1, warders 8, piety 6,
this has been the worse damn char period. ep 1 i ran her as non battle healer, buffer, EA curser but all she would do really is stand there.. so in ep 2 when respecs came out i rebuilt her as a full off tank/dps mace with no EA no piety, went into smite pretty far. had warders... despite tons of accuracy and crit gear she still never could hit squat. back to being a waste of space again.
third respec (current) is my favorite so far. shes now in full armor/dodge/parry gear, nothing but. shes in a mace but never attacks with a mace, has banishment (sucks.. but it seems to do fine to kill a mob or two at end of turn that have 10-20hp after everyone else has gone) her role is exclusively putting up wards and being a damn good off tank for the trolls and bezerkers that like to break off the main tank. she works quite well for this. but can not deal any sort of damage what so ever. sucks because back in the MUD days clerics were hard to play but usually super bad ass. i plan to respec her once more.. drop healing entirely and have both wards at 10, drop banishment and invocation, keep her in full armor tank and put those points into EA, max wards and EA... shit i dunno tho... gah this char is the worse one. i think you guys did this so we all buy Fyona haha.
anyhow i am sitting on 24 moonstones so im game to respec one char... pretty sure its gonna be Kyera.
any and all advice is welcome, thanks everyone!
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Post by fallen on Nov 17, 2015 19:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by riverjack on Nov 17, 2015 20:13:09 GMT -5
ya i saw his build recently and considered it, im reluctant since (never played selen but she is melee based right?) id lose my off tank if i put her in mage sorcery gear. not really comfortable doing that. from what i have see playing and how the ai works, you really need 2 melee chars since so many npcs run around after their turn... keep vreas main tank and as close to zero range as possible to archers and shamans, with second melee char picking up the bezerkers and trolls. not sure with the original 4 a caster kyera is really viable.. would be at the expense of main tank not being a main tank and chasing down bezerkers, losing zero range on shamans, shamans and archers going nuts on the mage... think i am gonna keep a kyera off tank but remove all offensive capabilities except for EA. but shes so hard to use, who knows. if i start over after ep3 im buying Fyona |
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Post by wascalwywabbit on Nov 17, 2015 23:36:47 GMT -5
Selen is a lot like Tam, but with cursing attacks, more dedicated defense talent and bigger blade options. Yes, she has range with pinning shot.
If you're not wearing +2mp or better gear for Vraes I'd go for BoS til +2 or better before topping ssk.
Your current Kyera is supporting your team a lot with strong defense. Could be stronger going for better -ap and/or group dmg to neutralize or remove enemies. Otherwise be content being team shield and healer - it's a valid strategy, just not very in-the-action so to speak.
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Post by fallen on Nov 17, 2015 23:37:15 GMT -5
riverjack - sounds good, just tossing out alternatives. As an off-tank, she should be able to crush as hard as someone like Vraes if you pump her Str + Hammers and give her a good weapon and gear. The challenge I always find with her is making her tough enough to survive the hits she will take in that position.
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Post by John Robinson on Nov 19, 2015 16:53:52 GMT -5
riverjackThere is a good discussion about using Kyera as a spell caster. Take a look at page 2 for the screen shots displaying her everyday damage, and what she was doing at the big showdown in the city of the dead. The Banishment(10) 25 hex cloud AOE seems a little abstract until you see the strike zone float over the map before casting. Nothing can run fast enough to get out of the kill zone. Kyera was the toughest character for me to figure out, I was never able to get the performance I wanted until "Holy Rollers" came along. I agree with you, and think every successful team needs two melee fighters. Selen is my all time favorite HoS character, all my teams use her as a tank not a backup. She can be a very successful "Boss Killer" as Groth and Big V found out the hard way. Be sure to wear the heaviest armor you can find (Stealth armor is too light), give here a minimum of +1 Wisdom(4), with early extra points into Constitution long term to 16.
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Post by CdrPlatypus on Nov 19, 2015 20:05:09 GMT -5
En1gma the main benefit to spears for me is on nightmare where accuracy is the king of stats. They have the best accuracy for strength based melee weapons in the game. They also get a really nice parry value for a 2-hander if you are going that route.
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