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Post by lixxx235 on Sept 30, 2014 11:11:00 GMT -5
squee: I agree about the limited expansion. I hope you understand that any new Javat colony worlds will take much longer to become profitable than Thulun; it will take many turns before mines get set up and the Javat bonus will be remotely felt.
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Post by johndramey on Sept 30, 2014 17:36:47 GMT -5
Haha, this is going well. Closing in on the voting deadline, so try to get your votes in sometime soon! As it stands our next research goal is planetary construction 2 since Javat formally voted for it. Thulun and Steel Song have yet to cast their votes in regards to research. slayernz/ Brutus Aurelius, Javat Prime wishes to subsidize a second factory in their queue, correct? There is one in the queue that is set to complete in 8 turns. Your request can be carried out, I just want to be clear that you are requesting a total of 2 factories be constructed. Thulun and Steel Song have yet to submit build plans. Time is ticking, gentlemen (and ladies). Get them votes in!  |
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Post by slayernz on Sept 30, 2014 17:48:19 GMT -5
Hi johndramey, that is correct, 2nd Factory to be built. While our population is still manageable, we need to make sure that we have the capacity to be able to build at a faster rate for the future. Javat notes that the Collective has money in the coffers for making such infrastructure investments, and Javat will soon be in a position to build more mines more rapidly for the benefit of the collective. |
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Post by johndramey on Sept 30, 2014 17:53:21 GMT -5
slayernz, noted. I'll add a subsidized factory to your project list first turn. Another question for everyone, exactly what should I be doing diplomatically? Do you want me to be attempting trade at all times?
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Post by xdesperado on Sept 30, 2014 18:11:24 GMT -5
I move that unless Javat is willing to support House Thulun's claim to colonize Leiwen that they not receive any further subsidies from the Alliance until current construction in their Queues is completed.
Continuing to throw money at partially completed projects that are far from being completed is wasteful and irresponsible.
Respectfully
Marquis XDesperado
Thulun Minister of War and Sentinal of Truth
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Post by slayernz on Sept 30, 2014 18:29:09 GMT -5
@the self-titled Thulun voicebox, investing in factories is prudent, as it allows more rapid construction in the future. We aren't all "blessed" with the speed of Thulun. Javat does, however, have the ability to be able go generate wealth for the alliance, but can only do so, IF Javat can build mines at a decent rate.
Javat wants to explain, <i>again</i> that whilst funds generated on planets go into the Consensus coffers for free distribution among all Consensus members, construction points do not get similarly shared. House Thulun has boasted numerous times about the speed of production, so clearly does not understand the challenges that other houses need to overcome for the good of the Collective.
Regarding Leiwen, Javat hasn't seen Steel Song actively or aggressively seeking that planet for one of their own. The Alliance agreed that Thulun should take Tennath, and Javat has no desire to claim Leiwin. If it will keep Thulun happy and not overly precious about the toys in the cot, then Javat is prepared to support Thulun's claim on Leiwin, subject to hearing any valid counter-claim by House Steel Song.
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Post by Brutus Aurelius on Sept 30, 2014 18:40:36 GMT -5
I object to House Thulun's aggression towards the Song. The Song have a valid claim on Leiwen, and the Thulun were given a valid claim on Tennath. I feel that this is an act of aggression with the only reason behind it being a greedy rush for land, when you will soon colonize another yellow star, which should be satisfactory, even if the Mineral count is low. All three Houses had submitted their claims, and if they wish to change it, then the Houses as a whole should agree on decide if it a valid reason, should another House have claim to it. If it is a switch to an unclaimed system, then it should be as simple as requesting to change the claim over to the new system.
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Post by xdesperado on Sept 30, 2014 18:46:36 GMT -5
slayernz I willingly support Javats need for more factories, my objection is not in regards to your desire to build such but rather to your request that it be subsidized at a higher level while you have other projects already in progress and seeing how you may decide to give it a lower priority that further delays its production. If Javat is willing to support Thulun's claim to Leiwen then we would feel much more inclined to support Javats request for extra funding for their building projects. Respectfully Marquis XDesperado Thulun Minister of War and Sentinal of Truth
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Post by xdesperado on Sept 30, 2014 19:00:22 GMT -5
I object to House Thulun's aggression towards the Song. The Song have a valid claim on Leiwen, and the Thulun were given a valid claim on Tennath. I feel that this is an act of aggression with the only reason behind it being a greedy rush for land, when you will soon colonize another yellow star, which should be satisfactory, even if the Mineral count is low. All three Houses had submitted their claims, and if they wish to change it, then the Houses as a whole should agree on decide if it a valid reason, should another House have claim to it. If it is a switch to an unclaimed system, then it should be as simple as requesting to change the claim over to the new system. I thought you were a member of the Javat council, I've not seen any discussion here from a member of the Steel Song laying a claim to Leiwen. Where do your loyalties and priorities lay... |
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Post by En1gma on Sept 30, 2014 19:22:50 GMT -5
I beg the assembled delegates to take another look at the quadrant map from the last report made by johndramey. Tennath and Thulun Prime are EXTREMELY removed from the current frontlines. Leiwen is critically located on the farthest reaches from where the House Thulun is situated. Is the Assembly prepared to allow the one nation capable of building the fleet the fastest to be thrown aside in the rear of the quadrant, where the Honorable Clan Javat should be happiest? The rear is not where House Thulun should be located, and everyone here knows it. If we are truly to lead from the rear, simply because of misplaced and vain objectives, then perhaps our warships have even more need to defend our own worlds instead of defending the other houses. It is not unreasonable for us to yearn for this system, and it is for the betterment of us all that we have Leiwen. IF the Eye of Shalun should discover a similar planet on the fringes, then expect us to push just as hard to colonize it, but as it stands, we remain resolved on our stance regarding Leiwen. |
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Post by lixxx235 on Sept 30, 2014 20:45:58 GMT -5
slayernz: I am not saying not to make factories. I am saying that clans which will take at least 18 turns to build a single factory should not have to carry the burden of sustaining colonies, at least not for another 10 turns. En1gma: fair point. I will be formally voting soon, so I will incorporate that in. We'll be happy to take Galantia another planet if you'd prefer; at this point we're not at all sure where the xeno is.
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Post by lixxx235 on Sept 30, 2014 20:53:57 GMT -5
Great House Thulun We request: - that on Thulun Prime we start build a colony ship immediately, and move it to the top of the priority queue, then after that is done, start on another colony ship; if population reaches maximum habitation space, immediately switch to creating more habitation,
- that, once once the colony ship from Thulun Prime is finished, that it immediately start toward Tennath, Galantia, or any other stellar system as Templar Command sees fit, and that this newly colonized system start work on a habitation unit, without subsidization,
- that we start immediate research on Planetary Construction 2,
- that the T.F. The Prophet’s Eyes start exploring anomalies, closest first, and that the option with highest possible reward be chosen when exploring,
- That our objections to colonization by parties that both will be a long-term drain on Alliance resources and that will not be directly helping enable defense of the Alliance from alien threats be taken into consideration by Templar command.
Lixxx235 Minister of Foreign Affairs, Great House of Thulun |
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Post by Brutus Aurelius on Sept 30, 2014 20:54:43 GMT -5
slayernz: I am not saying not to make factories. I am saying that clans which will take at least 18 turns to build a single factory should not have to carry the burden of sustaining colonies, at least not for another 10 turns. En1gma: fair point. I will be formally voting soon, so I will incorporate that in. We'll be happy to take Galantia if you'd prefer; at this point we're not at all sure where the xeno is. Clan Javat has already formally laid claim to Galantia. |
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Post by johndramey on Sept 30, 2014 21:27:24 GMT -5
Voting is completed! Steel Song were sorely absent, although squee did list a few requests, from casting their vote but, such is life. Snooze and lose, as the old saying goes! Research will be for Planetary Construction 2 followed by Faction PoliticsJavat will get it's factory completed and, upon completion, get a subsidized factory, followed by a colony ship. Thulun will build a colony ship, finish the current project, then build another colony ship. They will move to colonize Tennath and the second ship will be held until consensus is reached on its target. Steel Song will subsidize habitation modules and follow them with a colony ship. Colony ship will be targeted at Salveria when it completes. The Eyes of the Prophet will start scouting anomalies, taking the most extreme option when allowed. If all is in order I will run the turns. I'll give you a couple hours to confirm my readings of everything. |
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Post by slayernz on Sept 30, 2014 22:49:42 GMT -5
johndramey, voice of the Consensus, This is a fine summary of proposed actions. Note that Javat does intend on colonizing either Galantia or Chalicstine, subject to agreement from the other houses. This means that the colony ship that will be built under Javatian flag will have a purpose. I'm sure that the final decision on which planet becomes Javat will be decided shortly after the next Consensus report.
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