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Post by xdesperado on Feb 25, 2013 3:27:50 GMT -5
grävling thanks for the Armor feedback. Getting ready to move my latest gunslinger out of the tunnels and the info on Armor will probably have me trying something a bit different with him. Out of tunnels XP Available 1, Total XP 166 Body 5(8) Strength 5 [Athletics 5, Brawling 3] Dexterity 4 [Stealth 4, Firearms 4(5)] Mind 3 Intelligence 3[Electronics 0, Hacking 0] Perception 3[Negotiate 0, Intimidate 2*(started with this not bought))] ¥5,383 Mars Corp Battle Tac Master (3 jobs) Hunter Sight Ares Gamma Mk4 Jacket with Plates 5(7)/3(5) dodge -1 Gun Link (rating 1) Dermal Sheathing Steel Bone Graft Will be upgrading armor after completing current escort jobs from PnD to Aztec... 
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Post by grävling on Feb 25, 2013 3:48:33 GMT -5
If you want to try something different and interesting, stay in the Tunnels a long time. You will never get easier money (outside of hacking, if you do such things) than capturing and assasinating Los V Tunnel rats for Flynn. So raise enough cash for whatever you always wondered about. If you do this it is fine to refuse jobs from Flynn that do not pay enough. The taxi to the NBZ will not vanish no matter how many jobs you decline. Indeed, I couldn't get my Fennian rep to significantly decline either.
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Post by Cory Trese on Feb 25, 2013 23:24:50 GMT -5
If you want to try something different and interesting, stay in the Tunnels a long time. You will never get easier money (outside of hacking, if you do such things) than capturing and assasinating Los V Tunnel rats for Flynn. So raise enough cash for whatever you always wondered about. If you do this it is fine to refuse jobs from Flynn that do not pay enough. The taxi to the NBZ will not vanish no matter how many jobs you decline. Indeed, I couldn't get my Fennian rep to significantly decline either. I still argue the Tunnels pay way too well. |
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Post by grävling on Feb 25, 2013 23:26:28 GMT -5
If you want to try something different and interesting, stay in the Tunnels a long time. You will never get easier money (outside of hacking, if you do such things) than capturing and assasinating Los V Tunnel rats for Flynn. So raise enough cash for whatever you always wondered about. If you do this it is fine to refuse jobs from Flynn that do not pay enough. The taxi to the NBZ will not vanish no matter how many jobs you decline. Indeed, I couldn't get my Fennian rep to significantly decline either. I still argue the Tunnels pay way too well. I've always argued that. But apparantly Fallen doesn't agree .... maybe make it part of how nasty your economy setting is? |
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Post by Cory Trese on Feb 25, 2013 23:27:08 GMT -5
I still argue the Tunnels pay way too well. I've always argued that. But apparantly Fallen doesn't agree .... If we work together he can't hold out long. |
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Post by Swami on Feb 25, 2013 23:33:16 GMT -5
If the goal is to have you come out with a certain amount of cash, or bonuses at the end of the tunnels graduation could solve that.
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Post by grävling on Feb 25, 2013 23:34:40 GMT -5
I think you should stay down there fighting Los V tunnel rats until you learn how to fight. This will take some people a whole lot longer than others to figure out.
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Post by xdesperado on Feb 26, 2013 0:39:40 GMT -5
I think you should stay down there fighting Los V tunnel rats until you learn how to fight. This will take some people a whole lot longer than others to figure out. If that was the case I don't think I'd ever get a Cybersword out of the tunnels.  I've yet to be able to run one successfully on any but the easiest of settings. I know you claim they are easier than shooters but not for me.  |
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Post by grävling on Feb 26, 2013 0:51:55 GMT -5
I think you should stay down there fighting Los V tunnel rats until you learn how to fight. This will take some people a whole lot longer than others to figure out. If that was the case I don't think I'd ever get a Cybersword out of the tunnels. I've yet to be able to run one successfully on any but the easiest of settings. I know you claim they are easier than shooters but not for me. Very puzzling. You must either: a) be running towards your enemies instead of letting them come to you b) not be taking note of how many squares you need to be away from your enemies so that they will run right up to you. i.e. dogs (any) -- ganger shooters (3), ganger bosses (5). You position yourself the correct number of squares away, they run right up to you, you try to kill them. If you don't succeed, you run outside of their attack range -- so 3 squares for the ganger shooters 5 for the bosses and just 1 for all melee opponents. Repeat until everybody is dead. |
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Post by xdesperado on Feb 26, 2013 1:17:00 GMT -5
grävling nice in theory, but I to often seem to get dumped into combats where the shooters are at close to their optimal range so don't close with me or else I'm in an area where my movement options are severly limited. Also the fact that melee attacks are not allowed into diagonal squares makes my life as a shooter easier as well as the fact that while firearms have an optimum range they are still capable of effective attacks at other ranges while the poor melee shmuck has to get himself situated right next to and directly facing his opponent. I can maneuver my gun toting knights and runners to prevent the majority of melee attacks while pecking away at the most dangerous opponents, often from a safe distance. Once I get my current Gunslingers AP to 12+ on a consistent bases he will be a real nightmare for just about any enemy. Decided to try out the HPX 59 with him and only it's AP cost of 6 prevents it from being totally unbalancing.
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Post by grävling on Feb 26, 2013 6:53:13 GMT -5
Maybe you are not putting enough XP into stealth, then? The red hatted bosses do indeed often get a first shot on you until your AP is such that you always have the initiative on them. But the more stealth you have the further away you will start from them, so eventually they are just too far away. Before then, well, that is what you do with your first move. Move yourself so that the red hatted boss is 5 squares away in a direct line -- or '4 and one over' so he will run right up beside you. Then kill him with your taser glove.
If you are a CyberKnight, your priority in killing should be -- things with more Athletics than you have, things with more AP than you have, shooters, everybody else.
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Post by ncaoa on Feb 26, 2013 10:41:42 GMT -5
!!!!! I didn't know Stealth kept you further from the enemy at the start of a fight.  |
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Post by grävling on Feb 26, 2013 11:01:21 GMT -5
!!!!! I didn't know Stealth kept you further from the enemy at the start of a fight. Hmmm. And it is not in the manual either. I wonder if Athletics contributes to this as well. When Cory and Fallen wake up they will tell us ... |
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Post by jclarksprint on Feb 26, 2013 15:08:13 GMT -5
I've always argued that. But apparantly Fallen doesn't agree .... If we work together he can't hold out long. If the tunnels is part of the tutorial, it makes perfect sense that they pay more. Your target audience for the tutorial is the very person who will need the extra cash to play through the game. Its like a buffer for error for the more casual gamers. They buy the wrong thing, or dont keep track of their amount, they arent totally crushed, and they still learn something. In the nbz things are more 'real' and reflect the game setting more accurately. Now if the story was something other than a tutorial then maybe so. Or since the tunnels are so important to the commerce of the zone maybe they should pay more, but again the 'tutorial' role of MNB lends itself to an 'easier' game style and I think extra creds is one of the easier ways to do that. In the end XP are really more important than creds. AP and athletics are so significant if you fail to invest in them, creds or no creds, the game will cause you some suffering. |
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Post by fallen on Feb 26, 2013 15:22:40 GMT -5
jclarksprint - thanks for sharing the opinion. If we work together, we can hold them off 
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