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Post by contributor on Oct 8, 2013 10:09:06 GMT -5
This is the place to discuss all things related to the True Zealot Community Challenge. If you’ve got questions, want to discuss strategy or talk smack this is the place to do it. |
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Post by slayernz on Oct 8, 2013 17:29:45 GMT -5
Love the challenge ... would suggest a couple of changes for discussion ..
1) You may only fly ships with your faction’s flag.
Can this be changed to "You may only fly ships with your faction's flag after level X or turn Y"?
Rationale - when you are starting out, a good ship can make the difference between success and failure. By a certain level or timeframe though, you should feel honorbound to buy a ship from your home faction.
For scoring
Your positive reputation with your home faction x2
+ The sum of your negative reputation with other factions
- Any positive reputation with opposite houses/syndicates. (so you could have positive rep with same houses/syndicates)
Simplifying it just to the bottom faction ... or bottom two factions would be most effective. You can cap it at your home faction's level if you want to cap it. Also, does it really matter if you have +ve rep with opposite houses/syndicates? If I am, for example, a Cadar Zealot, and they were in Alliance with Thulun, then why would I not want to help out my faction by protecting Thulun ships from Steel Song villainy? My faction dictates who I want to mess with, and there shouldn't be a penalty for that.
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prideofcadar
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Post by prideofcadar on Oct 10, 2013 20:13:34 GMT -5
^What if Cadar decides to show love to Steel Song?
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Post by johndramey on Oct 10, 2013 21:14:40 GMT -5
slayernz, what do you mean "the bottom two?" Do you mean that we should minus the negative rep (in essence, adding it) for only the two lowest rep factions? I honestly think that if we want to have a TRUE zealot challenge we might want to have it so that you must simple add all negative reps/subtract all positive reps from your score. After all, zealotry is about... well... mindless dedication to your cause. You shouldn't be trying to maintain positive relations with anyone aside from your faction!
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Post by slayernz on Oct 10, 2013 22:05:22 GMT -5
How about just add the value of all the -ve factions to your score ... ignore all of the +ve factions. This still subtly encourages you to be hard other factions ... and The only love steel song should get is the humanity that is shown when you choose to put down a critically injured animal. A small lead ball placed just inside their right ear should ought to do it ... fired from my frakking rifle!  |
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Post by contributor on Oct 11, 2013 1:40:06 GMT -5
I guess my understanding was that there was generally more loyalty between clans and clans and syndicates and syndicates. They're not immediate family, but they are cousins. So I was trying to reproduce that in the scoring. I can see the case for simplifying it and just having the sum of all negative rep and eliminating any penalty for positive rep, because its true, in any given game, you might find that your faction shares a special relationship with another faction across clan/syndicate lines. I mull it over, simpler is always better.
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Post by slayernz on Oct 11, 2013 16:50:08 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong - I'll kill any clan ship that strays across my path, so I'm not really worried about a +ve rep clanville, but solar wars, trade alliances, and the like are faction-independent. That is, there is just as much chance that Cadar and De Valtos have a solar war as Cadar and Steel Song. In the following scenario:
Cadar is in solar war with De Valtos, and is Steel Song and De Valtos are also at solar war. Your blockade on a De Valtos planet will certainly generate +ve rep with Steel Song and it's not your fault.
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Post by Robb on Oct 12, 2013 18:59:55 GMT -5
With the rules stating one can only use a ship of their faction, does that mean one is limited to the ships that can be bought inside the military base?
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Post by slayernz on Oct 13, 2013 5:02:45 GMT -5
If you are really a zealot, you can commandeer a ship from your fellow faction pilots ... What, a Cadar captain flying in <insert favorite ship here>. I know that I can use more effectively use this ship to smash the enemy than this despicable wretch of a captain. Unfortunately, it means I will have to airlock you, but you have to understand that being inferior is not a trait we want to continue nurture in our Cadari lineage.
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Post by slayernz on Oct 13, 2013 5:08:11 GMT -5
contributor ... I do want to have the ability to use non-faction-flagged ship up until I am level 5 or level 10, or for the first 1000 or 1500 turns. As a Zealot, you are the hammer, and it doesn't matter if your first tool is flagged a different color. You will still unleash hell and fury on anyone that besmirches your faction. Yes, as you gain a little time or experience, you will be able to upgrade your ship to a more appropriate hammer-color, but until then, damnit, let me use anything I can to better smash nails!
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Post by HateSolstice on Oct 13, 2013 5:55:15 GMT -5
^What if Cadar decides to show love to Steel Song? I am going to pretend this was never said. I want you to think about your actions here, then never repeat them. You don't want to be strapped to the next torp I blast up a Steel Song scum's exhaust port, do you? |
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Post by Lesleyr on Oct 13, 2013 6:04:48 GMT -5
Sticking to the ship of your chosen faction throughout will make the game a lot more interesting and a bit harder which is why choosing your faction carefully is important. Besides a Zealot thinks that he (or she) is so much better than all other life forms, he/she wouldn't want to lower themselves commanding a ship that has been soiled, or worse still manufactured, by the hands of an inferior faction. slayernz You still haven't revealed who you will be flying for. Taking private bets with myself that it will be Cadar. It would also make the game interesting if at the end, the successes of the various factions were listed. Divide the total scores of all playing for a particular house by the number of people playing for them to get the average. Then list in order of score the successes of each. Rather like playing for Team Cadar or Team Steel Song. |
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Post by HateSolstice on Oct 13, 2013 6:32:54 GMT -5
It wouldn't be fair though. Cadar would win by default. Slayernz and myself will see to that.
And no underhanded, behind-the-scenes trickery to fudge numbers like the Presidential election. No sir. We would never stoop to Stee- I mean, such scumbag levels.
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prideofcadar
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Find my pilot Harmony at the nearest Starport- or her ships, the Wings of Liberty. No Privateering.
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Post by prideofcadar on Oct 13, 2013 7:56:12 GMT -5
^What if Cadar decides to show love to Steel Song? I am going to pretend this was never said. I want you to think about your actions here, then never repeat them. You don't want to be strapped to the next torp I blast up a Steel Song scum's exhaust port, do you? Dude, just a thought. Besides, it's not based on nothing. My poor test captain Arclite had his military rank stripped from him for blockading Steel Fortress because the Cadar-SsC solar war turned into an alliance. Then he got killed by Narvidian Hives. 3 times. At lvl 2. |
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Post by HateSolstice on Oct 13, 2013 8:22:05 GMT -5
I am going to pretend this was never said. I want you to think about your actions here, then never repeat them. You don't want to be strapped to the next torp I blast up a Steel Song scum's exhaust port, do you? Dude, just a thought. Besides, it's not based on nothing. My poor test captain Arclite had his military rank stripped from him for blockading Steel Fortress because the Cadar-SsC solar war turned into an alliance. Then he got killed by Narvidian Hives. 3 times. At lvl 2. I shall consider this pennance for your blasphemy. if you really want to make up for that slight, how about robbing some Rychart merchant vessels? They carry crates upon crates of those ridiculous hats. Hell, it's almost as if they use them as a currency... That's it, I want one of their hats. For, uh, research purposes. I certainly don't plan on parading around my captain's quarters wearing just the hat while talking funny to the ladies on my webcam, and taking selfies and posting them on SpaceBook if that's what you were thinking. 'Cause I would never do such silly things. Ever. Especially not last week with those two Javatian wenches that I didn't have secretly brought onboard, or at last year's Christmas party with Joanne from accounting. What do you take me for, some weirdo? |
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