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Post by John Robinson on Dec 25, 2015 21:04:06 GMT -5
Thanks, we're now all set on updates to the Throwing Knife talents, so John Robinson , you can get back to work  Yeehaa! Thanks so much. Got the nose, time to warm up the grindstone  (Have you ever seen the movie Dr. Strangelove with Chill Wills riding an atom bomb waving his cowboy hat in the air?) |
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 23, 2015 19:59:27 GMT -5
Just logged on to Steam, HoS auto-updated to v4.1.37. Kincaid's Darting Steel change makes a great Xmas present. Thanks Santa! Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse; The laptops were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that Trese Brothers soon would be there; The children were nestled all snug in their beds; While visions of new versions danced in their heads... |
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 17, 2015 22:21:03 GMT -5
I used the Mayday button to video chat with Amazon Tech, this is what we did on my wife's Kindle.
On Kindle HDX or any Kindle that has these options in your settings screen.
Go to Settings
Tap Applications
Tap Manage All Applications
The first line displays "Third Party Applications" look to the right for the downward pointing arrow, tap to get a drop down menu
Next tap "All Applications"
That should refresh all the apps on your Kindle it did for me. HoS upgraded to new version, none of the IAP or saved games were lost.
If you are still having a problem with a particular app;
Return to your settings, then applications, Select the App giving you a problem and you will get a detailed screen for it.
Tap Force Stop, Clear Cache and Clear data. Then refresh as above.
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 17, 2015 17:55:46 GMT -5
Thanks guys I'll adjust the Tamilin's talent table.
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 16, 2015 19:55:17 GMT -5
Ok, thx for the quick round of feedback. Looks like we'll get something like this out next week. Range Increased to 4? Tamilin's Torrent of Steel has a range of 4, Kincaid's Darting Steel has a range 3. Would it be possible to give him a maximum range equal to her thrown knife talent? |
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 16, 2015 17:54:14 GMT -5
This whole thing gets a new angle if str becomes +dmg... Then it would seem duel wielding or dex only becomes the even more obvious choice. Perhaps str could affect the TK range? Great Ideas! Would give him a reason to spend so many points into Strength. |
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 16, 2015 17:42:45 GMT -5
On the other hand, however... Kincaid is supposed to be the tactician, and should know better than to try to use TK 1 range combat. Also, he has the advantage of using Swords, which more than makes up for the fact that he can't use TK 1 range. 1 range for Tam makes more sense from a RP perspective: she is much smaller/faster than Kincaid, so I see her being able to quickstep and throw without giving up to much room. Kincaid isn't as fast, so the disadvantage is the loss of TK at that range. I can't pick up and equip a throwing knife into the main hand. I want a dexterity based weapon in the main hand for accuracy and I want to use a 1-H sword for melee damage. I want to use Darting Steel(10) someday. I don't want to add points to strength. I want.. I want.. Whaaa! change my diaper  |
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 16, 2015 17:30:11 GMT -5
fallen I'm definitely not dissing Kincaid. I'm not looking to duel wield throwing knives. You didn't want Tamilin to get surrounded without a blade that's what I was referring to. If I understand it right. The weapon type in a character's main hand determines which attribute, strength vs dexterity gets applied to the whole attack. In other words no matter what combination of weapons you use the main hand determines the attribute that will be applied to attack accuracy. Being able to use a throwing knife in the main hand slot allows the dexterity attribute to be applied to attack accuracy. Using a 1-H sword in the main hand applies the strength attribute. Crap! I know I just making it more confusing trying to explain. I want to make better use of Darting Steel. You can build him with 2 light blades, or 1 light blade and a 1-H sword, 1 thrown blade +1 light blade, or 1 thrown blade + 1-H sword. So there is a Ratkin right next to him. Duel wielding with a light blade in the main hand will provide the most damage and allow dexterity to be applied to accuracy. What am I after? With the thrown knife in the main hand, I can get dexterity applied to the attack accuracy, and I can get the damage from a 1-H sword in the off hand. When you use Darting Steel you rely on 1 melee weapon and that's the way it should be. But when you do, you need to be able to increase the damage of that weapon higher than a light blade can provide, this is where 1-H swords come in. The main disadvantage is having to invest 16 attribute points into strength to get the best accuracy from the sword because it can only be equipped in the main hand. He is a dexterity type of guy? I want to really see how far Darting Steel can go without giving up melee accuracy and damage. Am I way off base? p.s. I would still like to see it turn into an AOE somewhere in the 10 ranks. Edit: For the short version see my reply to En1gma below
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 16, 2015 16:29:27 GMT -5
Tamilin can equip thrown knives in the main hand slot, currently Kincaid cannot. This makes it tough for him to reach his full potential.
1. Kincaid is a Dexterity based character not Strength like Vraes. He will derive his greatest accuracy from Dexterity based weapons. If he is just going to dual wield light blades and not
use his Darting Steel talent this works out fine.
2. He can also use 1-H swords, but can only equip them in his main hand. To increase his melee accuracy he would need to invest allot of points into Strength cutting into points he could use for Dexterity or Constitution. This is unfortunate because thrown knives are dexterity based weapons.
3. Darting Steel. Until the recent changes with Tamilin. Using a thrown weapon was a unique feature only available with the Kincaid IAP character.
4. Why is this important? He cannot use Darting Steel on an adjacent enemy. He loses accuracy with a Strength based weapon. When attacking an adjacent enemy he will be able to inflict more damage duel wielding. One light blade inflicts less damage than two light blades. So being able to use a knife in his main hand and a 1-H sword in his off hand allows him to compensate for this loss in damage and accuracy duel wielding light blades provides. Being unable to use his throwing knives against the target next to him is like fighting with one hand tied behind his back.
5. The best of both worlds is to allow Darting Steel to hit adjacent targets, provide it with a wedge shaped AOE and allow throwing knives to be equipped in the main hand. In chapter 3 and 4 Kincaid will be completely surrounded. Examples; facing the ice monsters, skeletons and swarms of ghouls. Improving Tamilin is great. Compensating for her weaknesses should not invalidate Kincaid's needs. He needs throwing knives in the main hand, adjacent target and AOE just as much as she does.
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 15, 2015 21:46:29 GMT -5
fallen slayernz CdrPlatypus You guys are heavy duty players, coming from you it recharges my enthusiasm. On more than one occasion I asked my wife "The game has improved so much do you think people still use the tables?" She always says yes. Great to get your confirmation. Happy Holidays
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 15, 2015 17:37:37 GMT -5
John Robinson - only Tami has the "throw at adjacent enemy" advantage. Hmmm... Can you smell a wishlist item coming? It seems like it forces him to choose between duel wielding blades or using a throwing knife with a blade. I'm thinking a thrown knife is a thrown knife and should have consistent range. As a front line fighter he is more likely than Tamilin to be flanked and in later levels completely surrounded. This keeps him from doing his one/two punch with darting steel followed by a blade melee attack. Kincaid's Darting Steel has no AOE capability. He was the first character to throw a blade shouldn't he benefit from AOE? Worth Considering? |
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 15, 2015 17:15:05 GMT -5
In that screenshot, is he carrying throwing blades? Paula put down that shoe and stop hitting me! I didn't mean to ask another stupid question and waste their time again. Went back to an old Steam saved game swapped in a dart and it now displays Range 3. Thanks! p.s. Is it true he cannot hit an adjacent enemy with a thrown weapon like Tamilin can? (I'm working on a online Kincaid guide). |
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 15, 2015 17:07:08 GMT -5
I was a little shy about posting this, but Cory Trese and Balgair twisted my arm. On 12/02/13 I created my very first table for HoS during the Alpha. 12/02/15 Marks the 2nd year anniversary of making new and updating old tables. I hope they are still useful to HoS players. You all have become such experienced players I'm not sure they are. I'll just keep plugging along creating, updating, and having a good time. |
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 15, 2015 16:53:58 GMT -5
For the longest time I can remember my Talent table for Darting Steel had a range of 3. HoS v4.1.35 on my Kindle description reads range 0. Steam v4.1.35 reads range 1. What is the correct value to post in the Talent Table? Screenshot is from Kindle v4.1.35  |
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Post by John Robinson on Dec 15, 2015 15:14:18 GMT -5
I have no internet access right now for my Kindle, but I will check this out. Thanks Cory! EDIT: Date and time were correct, but the problem is still there. Maybe internet access will let it sync? Yes I'm having the same problem. To get any update you have to have internet access and if their clocks are wrong it can screw up the auto update. To force any outstanding app updates. Go to Settings, then tap "Sync and check for new items". It didn't work for me but it might for you. I'm also waiting for the next release that comes after 4.1.35 to see if that solves the problem (thanks for the advice Andrew & Cory). |
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