Selen's Talent Table of Dancing Daggers and Doom

[John Robinson]

   ~ ~ Selen ~ ~   (The Rogue)

When playing HOS, I sometimes want to remember what effect increasing a talent will do without waiting for a leveling campsite.
While attacking opponents, I wonder, why didn't that work as well as I expected? Should I increase my Intelligence attribute to support a higher level of talents, Or should I raise my Dexterity attribute to help me dodge damage from the abominations that attack, or Sorcery skill to make my Firebolt more accurate?

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Note: When a W appears in the AP/SP column that represents the AP required to use the equipped weapon.

Row 1 displays the automatic increase to total Hit points and Spell points when Selen reaches the next higher level.
Row 2 displays the increase in HP Selen gets when increasing Constitution attribute +1.
Row 3 displays the increase in SP Selen gets when increasing Intelligence attribute +1
Row 4 displays the number of HP Selen starts the game with
Row 5 displays the number of SP Selen starts the game with

Strength Damage Bonus: Does not apply when Dual Wielding.

Selen	Rogue
HP/SP +1 Lvl	14/7
+1 Con = +HP	+ 21
+1 Int = +SP	+ 19
Starting Hit Points	119
Starting Spirit Points	102

Startup Talents: Slash, Loose, Frenzied Blows(1), Sly Look(1), Precision Pick(1), Masterful Disarm(1)

v4.2.77

Talent	AP/SP	Description
Frenzied Blows  1	W/2	+3 Dmg.  +3 Melee Accuracy. 2% Critical.
Frenzied Blows  2	W/3	+6 Dmg.  +5 Accuracy.   4% Critical.
Frenzied Blows  3	W/4	+9 Dmg.  +6 Accuracy.   6% Critical.
Frenzied Blows  4	W/5	+12 Dmg.  +7 Accuracy.   7% Critical.
Frenzied Blows  5	W/6	+15 Dmg.  +8 Accuracy.   8% Critical.
Frenzied Blows  6	W/8	+20 Dmg.  +9 Accuracy.   9% Critical.
Frenzied Blows  7	W/10	+24 Dmg. +11 Accuracy. 10% Critical.
Frenzied Blows  8	W/12	+28 Dmg. +12 Accuracy. 12% Critical.
Frenzied Blows  9	W/14	+32 Dmg. +14 Accuracy. 14% Critical.
Frenzied Blows 10	W/16	+40 Dmg. +15 Accuracy. 15% Critical.
Sly Look  1	3/3	Range  6.  Reveals Small Area. red is danger, green is traps, blue is safe. Cross
Sly Look  2	2/5	Range  6.  Reveals Medium Area.    (#targets = Lore)
Sly Look  3	2/7	Range  7.  Reveals Medium Area.      All Ranks refund 1 AP from surprise
Sly Look  4	1/10	Range  7.  Reveals Large Area. 3x3 Block
Sly Look  5	1/12	Range  8.  Reveals Large Area.
Sly Look  6	1/14	Range  8.  Reveals Large Area.
Sly Look  7	1/17	Range  9.  Immense Area.  5x5 Cloud
Sly Look  8	1/20	Range  9.  Immense Area.
Sly Look  9	1/23	Range 10. Giant Area.  7x7 Cloud
Sly Look 10	1/26	Range 10  Giant Area
Precision Pick  1	6/2	+2 Security for Save. Range 1. Tap blue locked chest or door to unlock. * See Note Below
Precision Pick  2	6/4	+4 Security
Precision Pick  3	6/6	+5 Security
Precision Pick  4	5/8	+6 Security
Precision Pick  5	5/12	+7 Security
Precision Pick  6	5/14	+8 Security
Precision Pick  7	4/18	+9 Security
Precision Pick  8	4/22	+10 Security
Precision Pick  9	4/24	+11 Security
Precision Pick 10	3/26	+12 Security
Masterful Disarm  1	1/3	+2 Security for Save. Range 2.  Locates and disarms traps
Masterful Disarm  2	1/5	+4 Security. Range 3.
Masterful Disarm  3	2/7	+4 Security. Range 4.   Becomes Cross Shaped AOE
Masterful Disarm  4	2/10	+5 Security. Range 4.
Masterful Disarm  5	2/12	+6 Security. Range 5.
Masterful Disarm  6	2/14	+7 Security. Range 5.   Becomes 3x3 hex block shaped AOE
Masterful Disarm  7	2/17	+7 Security. Range 6.
Masterful Disarm  8	2/20	+8 Security. Range 6.
Masterful Disarm  9	2/23	+9 Security. Range 7.
Masterful Disarm 10	2/26	+10 Security. Range 8.
Punishing Blades  1	W/3	+3 Melee Accuracy. Curses with -3 Dmg and-6 Armor for 3 Turns
Punishing Blades  2	W/5	+4 Accuracy.  -6 Dmg.  -9 Armor.
Punishing Blades  3	W/7	+5 Accuracy.  -9 Dmg. -12 Armor.
Punishing Blades  4	W/10	+7 Accuracy. -12 Dmg. -15 Armor.
Punishing Blades  5	W/12	+8 Accuracy. -15 Dmg. -18 Armor.
Punishing Blades  6	W/14	+10 Accuracy. -18 Dmg. -22 Armor.
Punishing Blades  7	W/17	+11 Accuracy. -21 Dmg. -26 Armor.
Punishing Blades  8	W/20	+12 Accuracy. -24 Dmg. -30 Armor.
Punishing Blades  9	W/23	+13 Accuracy. -27 Dmg. -36 Armor.
Punishing Blades 10	W/26	+14 Accuracy. -30 Dmg. -42 Armor.
Pinning Shot  1	W/3	+3 Ranged Accuracy. Curses with -2 Parry and -2 Dodge for 3 Turns Up to 6 range (per weapon)
Pinning Shot  2	W/5	+4 Accuracy.  -3 Parry.  -3 Dodge.  Becomes 3 hex Wedge Shaped AOE
Pinning Shot  3	W/7	+6 Accuracy.  -4 Parry.  -4 Dodge.
Pinning Shot  4	W/10	+7 Accuracy.  -5 Parry.  -5 Dodge.  -1 AP
Pinning Shot  5	W/13	+9 Accuracy.  -5 Parry.  -6 Dodge.  -1 AP    Becomes 4 hex Wedge Shaped AOE
Pinning Shot  6	W/16	+10 Accuracy.  -6 Parry.  -6 Dodge.  -1 AP
Pinning Shot  7	W/20	+11 Accuracy.  -6 Parry.  -7 Dodge.  -1 AP.
Pinning Shot  8	W/24	+12 Accuracy.  -7 Parry.  -7 Dodge.  -1 AP.   Becomes 6 hex Wedge Shaped AOE
Pinning Shot  9	W/28	+13 Accuracy.  -8 Parry.  -8 Dodge. -1 AP.
Pinning Shot 10	W/32	+14 Accuracy.  -9 Parry. -10 Dodge. -1 AP.
Quicksilver Defense  1	3/8	+3 Parry.  +3 Dodge. for 8+(Lore) Turns. Self-Only Buff.  (Req Lvl 9+)
Quicksilver Defense  2	3/12	+4 Parry.  +4 Dodge. ( in melee and ranged)
Quicksilver Defense  3	3/18	+5 Parry.  +6 Dodge.
Quicksilver Defense  4	3/24	+7 Parry.  +7 Dodge.
Quicksilver Defense  5	3/30	+9 Parry.  +8 Dodge.
Quicksilver Defense  6	3/36	+10 Parry.  +9 Dodge.
Quicksilver Defense  7	3/42	+11 Parry. +11 Dodge.
Quicksilver Defense  8	3/50	+12 Parry. +12 Dodge.
Quicksilver Defense  9	3/58	+14 Parry. +14 Dodge.
Quicksilver Defense 10	3/64	+16 Parry. +16 Dodge.
Dance of Shadows  1	3/6	+1 Move point.  2% Critical. +2 Stealth. 8+(Lore) Turns.  (Req Lvl 6+)
Dance of Shadows  2	3/10	+1 Move.  3% Critical.  +3 Stealth.
Dance of Shadows  3	3/14	+2 Move.  4% Critical.  +4 Stealth.
Dance of Shadows  4	3/18	+2 Move.  5% Critical.  +5 Stealth.
Dance of Shadows  5	3/23	+2 Move.  6% Critical.  +6 Stealth.
Dance of Shadows  6	3/28	+2 Move.  7% Critical.  +7 Stealth.
Dance of Shadows  7	3/34	+3 Move.  8% Critical.  +8 Stealth.
Dance of Shadows  8	3/38	+3 Move. 10% Critical.  +9 Stealth.
Dance of Shadows  9	3/42	+3 Move. 12% Critical. +10 Stealth.
Dance of Shadows 10	3/48	+3 Move.  16% Critical. +11 Stealth.
Steel and Shadow  1	W/5	+3 Dmg.   +3 Melee Accuracy. 20% Critical. From Surprise   (Req Lvl 18+)
Steel and Shadow  2	W/9	+6 Dmg.   +4 Accuracy. 26% Critical. Stealth melee attack excludes ranged weapons
Steel and Shadow  3	W/13	+9 Dmg.   +5 Accuracy. 32% Critical.
Steel and Shadow  4	W/17	+12 Dmg.  +6 Accuracy. 38% Critical.
Steel and Shadow  5	W/21	+15 Dmg.  +7 Accuracy. 44% Critical.
Steel and Shadow  6	W/25	+20 Dmg.  +8 Accuracy. 50% Critical.
Steel and Shadow  7	W/30	+24 Dmg.  +9 Accuracy. 56% Critical.
Steel and Shadow  8	W/34	+28 Dmg. +10 Accuracy. 64% Critical.
Steel and Shadow  9	W/38	+32 Dmg. +11 Accuracy. 72% Critical.
Steel and Shadow 10	W/42	+40 Dmg. +12 Accuracy. 80% Critical.

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* Precision Pick: 5/22/14 Since the first HoS release unlocking chests and doors does not currently require require

a Security dice roll to succeed. There currently is no way to predict when the rules for opening locks will be enforced.

I carry a piece of equipment that boosts Security just in case.

[fallen]

John Robinson - the "Reveals small area" for Sly Look, Farsight, and Spirit Sight all increase over levels now. Would be worth noting the change points. Thanks!

[John Robinson]

Jan 31, 2014 9:54:29 GMT -5 fallen said:

John Robinson - the "Reveals small area" for Sly Look, Farsight, and Spirit Sight all increase over levels now. Would be worth noting the change points. Thanks!

Thanks for the info, It always seemed like the Width of the map revealed did increase with range,
but couldn't put a relative size on it. Like "6 x 4 hex" something like that.

I'll take a closer look during play to get a "guess ta meant" on the size. It is what makes putting more points into it
worth the cost.

Will add little more text now.

[fallen]

John Robinson - that helps. The description changes as it increases with levels, so you could say "reveals small area" ... "reveals medium area" ... at the right change points during the Talent's progression. I don't think that the actual 6x6 detail is needed in the table, just the Powers at which is ups.

[Peksu]

Does the steel and shadow only work with blades or can you at least use the crit&dmg boost with a bow even if the accuracy is for melee?

[John Robinson]

Jan 8, 2015 17:23:29 GMT -5 Peksu said:

Does the steel and shadow only work with blades or can you at least use the crit&dmg boost with a bow even if the accuracy is for melee?

Steel and Shadow is described as a "Stealth Melee Attack" the extra accuracy, damage and % Critical applies to melee weapons only (not ranged).

Dance of Shadows adds/stacks %Critical to any attack including ranged weapons and adds movement points. This is a great way to allow a Selen archer build the option to move forward or backward
and still have all of her normal AP/MP to get her full number of attacks

I couldn't quite fit the Stealth Melee Attack into the table, sorry about the confusion, I'll add it to line 2.
Excellent question 

[Peksu]

Thanks for the reply! I guess I was just hoping for corner cutting in not implementing separate crit%s for melee and ranged. These tables are a great tool when planning parties. Thanks for these as well. Been starting new parties all over again after discovering them.

[fallen]

@peksu - Steel and Shadow is specifically a melee attack, so you can't use it with a bow and therefore you can't gain it's attack bonuses (Critical).

[John Robinson]

Jan 9, 2015 13:32:00 GMT -5 Peksu said:

Thanks for the reply! I guess I was just hoping for corner cutting in not implementing separate crit%s for melee and ranged. These tables are a great tool when planning parties. Thanks for these as well. Been starting new parties all over again after discovering them.

No problem.  I had to make sure myself with a PM to fallen. 

If you select fallen's profile and start going back through his "recent posts" or "recent threads" you will learn a huge amount about HoS.
Also if you haven't already, take a real close look at the Combat Mechanics thread when building a new group.

Thanks Andrew for coming to the rescue 

[wascalwywabbit]

Could steel and shadow get 1-2 mp added first round only, -maybe- smallish sp cost increase to not over power it? This would possible free a gear slot and make it more attractive for some builds imo.

[achilles73]

I still do not understand how Steel and Shadow works - hence, I have not used it.

Edit: Mainly, does "from surprise" mean the first round you win the stealth roll? The entire fight?

[fallen]

Only the first round.

The Talent is on the list to be improved.

Priorities.

[achilles73]

Dec 24, 2016 12:26:40 GMT -5 fallen said:

Only the first round.

The Talent is on the list to be improved.

Priorities.

Ah, thank you. First round may be too weak, but the entire fight would be too much. There has to be a happy medium

[wascalwywabbit]

Dec 24, 2016 12:45:46 GMT -5 achilles73 said:

Dec 24, 2016 12:26:40 GMT -5 fallen said:

Only the first round.

The Talent is on the list to be improved.

Priorities.

Ah, thank you. First round may be too weak, but the entire fight would be too much. There has to be a happy medium

AFAIK The happy medium is planned to be something like juggernaut, so extra mp and ap, but of course it would be something unique and probably surprise round only.