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Post by krakun on Sept 6, 2015 2:43:15 GMT -5
Krakun waits until all foreign delegates have left and House Thulun is in private season.Respectable Councillor En1gma, instead of this self pitying whining and navel gazing I suggest some soul searching on your part. You request input from councillor hissrad and myself, state agreement, and I see from the transcribed minutes of the High Templar chambers that none of our inputs transpire. - Councillor hissrad suggest researching Manufacturing 1 and Mining 1 which would not only appease the other clams erm clans but also benefit everyone on the long term for a solid economic backbone. Proposal dismissed summarily. - I propose waiting until more advanced technologies for building a fighter, since Fighters 1 isn't going to cut it, you then state agreement, and I almost strangled myself on my privately distilled hi octane Vudka when I read that you pushed with the High Templar for immediate construction of a fighter once Fighters 1 was researched. - I proposed stationing the Templar Defenders near our colonies, exposing the others, so that the mining champions may bear the economic risk of invasion, a way to bridge our military concerns to their mindless economic obsessions, and again find no trace of this proposal. It's no wonder the other factions are not feeling heard, I have the same impression and we are supposedly on the same side. I say 'supposedly' because by insisting on imposing your own views, and alienating the other factions, you are hurting the interests of House Thulun. Even councillor contributor is calling us "House En1gma", that's telling. //ooc all role play my dear En1gma, no hard feelings?
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Post by En1gma on Sept 6, 2015 5:18:28 GMT -5
Perhaps Cryo-Stasis has affected me more than I thought... If someone else wants to take the reins on politicking, perhaps this would be best. I am not serving you the Council, nor our beloved Thulun in the best manner, so I'll take a back seat. Would you like me to rescind my ill begotten proposal and begin fresh, or would either of you prefer to write it yourselves? However you think would be best. //OOC No hard feelings taken, krakun. I will take a few days to myself though. I just have a ton of stress IRL, and this really isn't helping with it... I'll be around, stating my opinion, but I seriously can't deal with the politics. I already get enough arguing from my 2yo and his 14yo brother. -BTW when you said first gen fighter, I genuinely thought you meant the basic fighter, not one built from Fighters 1 tech... Seriously my bad. - hissrad proposed a second proposal for tech research, which is what was presented to the main thread. -I also skipped over the bit about stationing Templar ships next to our own colonies because there is no way we can control Templar ship activity from a RP viewpoint. The GM will position his ships where he sees fit, as he has the entirety of the game to protect, which is why I pushed for a ship of our own. |
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Post by krakun on Sept 6, 2015 8:44:36 GMT -5
Engineer Krakun is obviously flustered, his experience in hiccups and breakdowns is limited to machines and laboratory setups. Confused and uncertain about the next course of action, he clumsily attempts to make amends.Now, now, councillor En1gma, don't take my overzealous criticism so badly. We're all still a bit dazed and irritable after all this cryo-whatnot and just now this bumbling High Templar stumbling onto a Nyktos nest with all the delicacy and discretion of a rhinoceros in heat does raise tempers to a boiling point. We are still very eager for your wisdom and experience from the Pleiades campaign, and will be grateful for any input you provide. Take the time you need for some much deserved rest, these small spawns eat a lot of energy. I reluctantly propose to go visit the High Bungler with our proposals, after having reviewed them with you here, until a time when you or councillor hissrad deem my ambassadorship counter productive. It would seem the most pressing point of order is the approval or rebuttal of researching FDF. I propose the following (1) "Since all colonies are now guarded with at least one stock fighter, and since FDF does not damage Xeno invaders, we purpose to skip this research. If other factions insist, we will abide." A second point of order, though not explicit, is the design proposal for some fighters with new technology, to replace the current stock. Any proposals there? I have this 37-page document (OOC Clan Game 1 thread) and at page 16 I see an interesting proposal, to be downgraded to our currently available technologies. What say you?
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Post by En1gma on Sept 6, 2015 9:00:29 GMT -5
Were this my campaign, I could forgo the FDF research, as it is a notable depletion of our resources, for something that will likely never be used.
My vote would be to invest as much attention to ship research as possible. Cruisers must be developed, and I would even go so far as to propose that we finish out the Capitol Ships branch, then move on to the Carrier branch, finishing them both completely.
-This will allow the creation of our first major line of defense, and will unlock the formidable 2/4 Fast Reactor of legend, allowing our Fighters to reach previously unreachable levels of menace.
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Post by hissrad on Sept 6, 2015 13:41:04 GMT -5
With the High Templar kicking the bees nest,I'd say Starship Construction would be the smartest idea. As for Planetary Defense, I can see the appeal but unless things bet really bad I don't think we need it. We could probably unlock most of the fighters tree quickly especially is scouting continues.
I was surprised with how heated the politics had gotten,thought it'd take a bit longer before it devolved to name calling and hair pulling!
ooc Seriously though, I'm having a good time with this. Last time we did one of these it was strange how everyone seemed to get along so well.
Oh and I think I saw some asteroids our ships could refuel off of on the edge of the asteroid field to the east. Not much use now but could make a good spot to station a patrol ship or two,early warning and what not
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Post by CdrPlatypus on Sept 6, 2015 23:03:27 GMT -5
hissrad The High Templar refutes that he is not kicking the bee's nest. After discovering the 2 nearby colonies he ordered the explorer to turn tail and make sure we were not being surrounded on the eastern side. Kicking the bee's nest would entail sending an assault fleet over to play with the Xenos. Which we cannot currently support technologically or economically.
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Post by hissrad on Sept 6, 2015 23:50:38 GMT -5
I figured that's what happened, wasn't being completely serious.  |
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Post by En1gma on Sept 9, 2015 22:03:14 GMT -5
I seem to have left the holo-screen on in the Alliance chambers... tenbsmith, care to join me? I see you came in and left, the discussion was rather brief, but it seems we have hit a high point in recent negotiations and I thought a parlay would be enjoyable. |
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Post by tenbsmith on Sept 9, 2015 22:47:20 GMT -5
Ahhh... Thank you esteemed En1gma. I only have time for a vudka or two before I must be on my way. To the empire and the Templar Commander. Salut!
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Post by En1gma on Sept 9, 2015 22:53:20 GMT -5
Same here my friend... The hour grows later by the moment, and there are empires to be run. In the morning that is. It's been a pleasure having you, good sir, help yourself to whatever you like, and I'm sure we'll be seeing one another soon enough.
For the Alliance!
/raises his glass in salute, drinks it down, and retires with a wide grin and a wave.
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Post by En1gma on Sept 11, 2015 12:02:37 GMT -5
My fellow delegates from the Great House Thulun: Our colonization effort has been an overwhelming success, granting us with a system of comparable quality to our Prime. Perhaps we would be well served pushing towards Starship Construction, then allowing our fellow members of the Alliance to dictate the path of Research so that their needs are well met. If we had settled upon a lesser System, we would push far harder toward objectives that would best suit our own needs, but Shalun blessed us with the most favorable system out of the three (for our own needs at least. --I propose we push to get the Cruiser Tech tree completed, then allow the other factions to dictate the path after that. If they wish to intersperse the Cruiser tech into their research path, then this would be permissible so long as our tech be given a slight priority. By allowing the other factions to dictate research, we will gain much political traction by displaying our willingness to reach across the aisle and work for the common goals of the Alliance. We will also be able to leverage our good will when the time suits us. I eagerly await your thoughts on this matter, hissrad and krakun. |
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Post by hissrad on Sept 11, 2015 12:46:47 GMT -5
My fellow delegates from the Great House Thulun: Our colonization effort has been an overwhelming success, granting us with a system of comparable quality to our Prime. Perhaps we would be well served pushing towards Starship Construction, then allowing our fellow members of the Alliance to dictate the path of Research so that their needs are well met. If we had settled upon a lesser System, we would push far harder toward objectives that would best suit our own needs, but Shalun blessed us with the most favorable system out of the three (for our own needs at least. --I propose we push to get the Cruiser Tech tree completed, then allow the other factions to dictate the path after that. If they wish to intersperse the Cruiser tech into their research path, then this would be permissible so long as our tech be given a slight priority. By allowing the other factions to dictate research, we will gain much political traction by displaying our willingness to reach across the aisle and work for the common goals of the Alliance. We will also be able to leverage our good will when the time suits us. I eagerly await your thoughts on this matter, hissrad and krakun. Sounds like a good idea,should also please the High Templar. I don't see a reason not to |
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Post by En1gma on Sept 12, 2015 8:05:00 GMT -5
hissrad krakun/ooc I will likely be indisposed today, as I'm doing a craft fair that will take up my entire day. If you are both in agreement, or we don't hear from krakun before we need to make a proposal, perhaps you could write up a brief missive to the main thread? If we don't hear from our other councilman by tonight and we haven't made a proposal, I'll write one up myself.
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Post by En1gma on Sept 12, 2015 8:15:34 GMT -5
I have given the Council a warning considering our proposed measure, so that they may begin formulating optimal research orders should our measure pass.
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Post by krakun on Sept 12, 2015 11:59:44 GMT -5
En1gma, we are in full agreement. If you would reframe your "research towards cruisers" into "research towards the missing elements for the excellent fighter design mentioned previously", I think you'll get much more agreement from the likes of johndramey. It's the same research path in the end... I would also be tempted to ask the High Templar what has been built on the colonies. It's possible that the colonies are not in a position to use the new buildings unlocked by the next levels out planetary construction.
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