Start Up Table

[John Robinson]

I like looking at them side by side.  My piece of paper is looking pretty dog eared, so I put together this little table for easy reference. 

Additional help and links to other tables can be found in Players Guides: Heroes and Monsters (Tables)

Note:  
Row 1 displays the automatic increase to total Hit points and Spell points when each character reaches the next higher level.
Row 2 displays the increase in HP each character gets when increasing Constitution attribute +1.
Row 3 displays the increase in SP each character gets when increasing Intelligence attribute +1

What are Factors ? When you add a Point to Dexterity, Wisdom or Constitution and multiply them by their factor numbers you get
the number of Toughness, Resistance and Dodge points added.  For example Fyona has a Toughness factor of 1.  Every time she adds 1 to
Constitution her Toughness will also increase by 1.  When Kincaid adds a point to Dexterity his Dodge will increase by 0.75.
When Vincent adds a point to Wisdom he will get 2 points of Resistance.

Strength Damage Bonus: Does not apply when wielding dual weapons.

v.4.2.75

Level 1	Outlander	Dueler	Wizard	Sorcerer	Cleric	Paladin	Thief	Rogue
HP/SP +1 Lvl	16/4	13/8	8/11	11/8	11/8	14/6	13/7	14/7
+1 Con = +HP	+ 26	+25	+ 16	+ 22	+ 21	+ 23	+ 18	+ 21
+1 Int = +SP	+ 22	+18	+ 26	+ 22	+ 26	+ 22	+ 21	+ 19
Tough Factor	1.25	1.0	0.5	1.0	0.75	1.25	0.75	1.0
Resist Factor	1.0	1.0	2.0	2.0	2.0	1.5	1.0	0.75
Dodge Factor	0.75	0.75	1.0	0.75	0.75	0.75	1.0	0.75
Dexterity	4	7	4	4	3	4	6	6
Dodge	3	5	4	3	2	3	6	4
Constitution	6	5	4	4	5	5	5	5
Hit Points	172	133	72	99	116	135	103	119
Toughness	7	5	2	4	3	5	3	5
Willpower	5	3	7	4	4	5	4	3
Resistance	5	3	14	8	8	7	4	2
Intelligence	3	4	6	6	6	5	4	5
Spirit Points	70	80	167	140	164	116	91	102
Strength	7	5	3	4	4	5	5	5
Blades	3	4****	x	3	x	x	x	3*
Bows	x	x	x	x	x	x	3	2
Thrown	x	2	x	x	x	x	1	x
Hammers	3	x	x	x	2	3 ***	x	x
Polearms	3	x	2 **	1	2	x	x	x
Sorcery	x	x	4	3	x	x	x	x
Conjuring	x	x	2	3	3	x	x	x
Invocation	x	x	x	x	3	2	x	x
Security	x	x	x	x	x	x	3	2
Stealth	x	2	x	x	x	x	3	3
Knowledge	3	4	4	6	6	4	4	4
Leadership	1	2	x	x	x	2	x	x
Lore	2	2	2	2	2	3	2	2

   *  Tamilin no longer can use blades see Torrent of Steel in Talent Table.  Selen (Rogue) can use small blades and 1-H swords
**   Wizard Polearms Staff Only
*** Paladin can use 1H and 2H Hammers
**** Dueler can only use Light Blades and 1-H Swords, or dual wield any combo of the two





EDIT by fallen: switched * and ** to be correct.

If you would like to learn more about their Talents Click on character's name.

Vraes's Talent Table
Kharjtan's Talent Table
Kyrea's Talent Table
Tamlin's Talent Table
Vincent's Talent Table of Shock Therapy
Selen's Talent Table of Dancing Daggers and Doom

Leveling Table Check here if you would like to see how many XP you need to Level and the points on attributes, skill, and talents you can spend.

[slayernz]

Oh that's frickin sweet! Great job John!

Don't you wish your wizard could at least carry a hammer or wield a spear ... or your thief could carry a 1H sword?

[fallen]

It's easy to want all characters to be all things
There are 3x varieties for each slot, so ... you'll see those sorts of varieties in the other varieties for those slots -- not all in a single character.
I.e. Rogues can wield 1-H swords. Sorcerers can wield Light Blades and 1-H Swords. Thieves are ranged specialists, and therefore are Light Blades only.

[slayernz]

Oooh ... <bounce><bounce><bounce> This game ROCKS in every sense of the word. It's so fantastically awesome and we've only tested the merest nibble of its juicy goodness.

[John Robinson]

fallen @slayenz

I'm currently testing the "Knife Fighter". I realized the long knifes only cost 1AP to strike! That's the same number of AP monsters need per attack. If adjacent to a monster that gives her seven attacks. I'm putting points into "Torrent of Steel" and making that her default attack, very cost effective in SP. She makes an excellent flank attacker. The Outlander holds them by the nose while she kicks them in the rear. Just completed starter dungeon on easy. My party has been moving forward instead of falling back in the face of attack.

I think she just might be viable as a melee backup. The other advantage is by moving forward instead of hanging back with the bow. On the start of the next round she can cast Farsight to see the rest of the enemy force once combat has began. Thanks fallen and Cory for making her knife ability a possibility instead of last ditch defense.

[fallen]

@johnrobison - not to raid on the parade, but that ability is up for a little balancing in the next update or so. She is intended to be the ranged specialist while the Rogue fills the stealth melee specialist slot. It will -not- become a last ditch defense, but you will see it a bit tweaked.

[John Robinson]

fallen

Did you just give me a clue about a new character class called the Rogue? That's exactly the type I love to play!

So before my eyes roll up in my head, and I pass out with gratitude, Will the Rogue be available in P3?

[fallen]

We are working hard to bring the Rogue and the Sorcerer forward so that the team can test with a larger set of characters and see even more of the balancing picture. We are working on it, but there is a lot of art and other back-end stuff to complete. Won't be in the upcoming update.

[absimiliard]

My only problem with using the thief as a torrent-of-steel-knife-fighter is that she can blow entirely through her SP in one, maybe two fights. Higher levels of that talent are very effective, but she hits so often with 1SP per strike that it really adds up quick. That said, it's a fun style of game for me, and you can shepherd her usage of TOS a bit and get at least two fights out of her that way, which isn't quite as much endurance as I'd like but is enough. The option of raising her INT to support the higher SP usage seems nice, but I think the need to do good HtH damage contraindicates it.

[fallen]

absimiliard - yes, the 1 AP attacks give you a ton of flexibility in how you dish out your damage, and allow you to get more bonuses in action, ... but the SP cost is high. Glad that people are enjoying this style, as the Rogue will be better built for it.

[absimiliard]

It's a fun style, but not my favorite one for her. My favorite thief play-style is to buff Farsight and Aimed Shot and use her as a scout and artillery. She doesn't hit nearly as hard as the wizard, but she can pick off wounded critters, and in a pinch hold a front for a turn against one weak foe. In that style her SP tend to go down more moderately than in the "blow it all in melee" thief which gives me a bit more endurance and means less use of potions for utility stuff like lockpicking.

Obviously Your Mileage May Vary.

[slayernz]

I've used the Torrent of Steel lots and think it is not unbalanced at all. I still rely a lot on the thief as a ranged expert, working closely with the Wizard, but it's nice that when she has enemies right beside her, she is able to do something about it ... Legolas could fling arrows at 1Square range (admittedly not always using his bow) ...

BTW, the wizard should have a spell for attacking foe standing 1Square away too - sometimes when surrounded, the wizard just can't step back 1 square in order to use any combat spells, and with his staff, he's about as useful as a very un-useful thing.

Oh and John Robinson, have you ever put a 1H sword in one hand, and a knife in his other hand? It's possible! He has probably the best melee accuracy of all of the party, so is able to strike with both blades in an action (yes, the drawback is it is 1AP for the dagger and 2AP for the sword). it means the warrior has only 2 attacks per turn rather than the usual 3, but they do a pretty good amount of damage. I'm not sure if the loss of an additional attack is outweighed by the increased damage.

fallen, when damage is soaked by the enemy, is it:
Total damage caused by the character - the soak value, or is it:
damage caused by weapon 1 - soak value AND damage caused by weapon 2 - soak value?

If it is the first, it would mean dual-wielding fighters can cause higher damage as the second blade gets full damage without the loss of the soak. It would make it worth the loss of 1x attack!

[fallen]

slayernz - great post.

1) Glad you find Torrent okay. Been playing it more and in no way mean to nerf it, just might have to tweak something about it as the Rogue comes out.
2) The Thief can also do 2 Light Blades.
3) On the Wizard thing ... we are going to make staffs a little more useful, but this is part of your tactical challenge. Don't let the Wizard get surrounded! I'm not going to provide a new spell that will let you get out of a situation like that That's for the Sorcerer!
4) For Dual Wield, it is total damage - soak. When Dual Wielding, you get the better of the two Accuracy values for the weapons (max(a,b), not sum(a,b)) and the same with Parry.

[John Robinson]

slayernz Major thanks on the dual weapons. I assumed the other was shield only, definitely going to try this next. Hat's off to doctor Catenstein for experimenting. The 2AP +1Ap, cost is no more than the two handed spear I've been using, so I'm cool with the 2 attacks per round.

fallen "Thief can also do 2 light blades" I always wondered why her picture showed two blades. So if I read that right, with 1AP per weapon, she is going to get in 3 attacks when a enemy is adjacent. Does Torrent of Steel get calculated for each light blade and cost double the SP? I'm guessing it's regular SP with the two blades taken as a single attack, TOS damage, and accuracy added. Thanks for the tip

[fallen]

John Robinson - yes, the Talent only gets added in once. The art that is currently shown as the Thief is going to migrate over to the Rogue as soon as the real Thief (Ranged Specialist) art is done!