Kyera's Talent Table of Tears and Retribution

[John Robinson]

Kyera

When playing HOS, I sometimes want to remember what effect increasing a talent will do without waiting for a leveling campsite.
While attacking opponents, I wonder, why didn't that work as well as I expected? Should I increase my Intelligence attribute to support a higher level of talents, Or should I raise my Constitution attribute and hammer skill to help out on the front lines, or Conjuring skill to make my Warder's Shield more effective?

Players' Guides: Heroes and Monsters (Tables) provides additional information you may find useful on a variety of topics.

Quick Cross Reference; Click on character's name to move back and forth between their Talent Tables.

Vraes's Talent Table of Terror
Kjartan's Talent Table of Flame and Fortune
Kyrea's Talent Table of Tears and Retribution
Tamlin's Talent Table of Hide and Peek
Selen's Talent Table of Dancing Daggers and Doom
Vincent's Talent Table of Shock Therapy
Fyona's Talent Table Hammer of the Gods
Kincaid's Talent Table of Crimson Steel

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Leveling Table Check here if you would like to see how many XP you need to Level and the points on attributes, skill, and talents you can spend.

Curse attack display:  Was the attack successful? Thanks to wascalwywabbit and fallen now we know.

Ethereal Anquish is a curse you will be using over and over while palying HoS. Here is a great thread provided by vdx .

Note: When a W appears in the AP/SP column that represents the AP required to use the equipped weapon.

Row 1 displays the automatic increase to total Hit points and Spell points when Kyera reaches the next higher level.
Row 2 displays the increase in HP Kyera gets when increasing Constitution attribute +1.
Row 3 displays the increase in SP Kyera gets when increasing Intelligence attribute +1
Row 4 displays the number of HP  Kyera starts the game with
Row 5 displays the number of SP  Kyera starts the game with

Kyera	Cleric
HP/SP +1 Lvl	11/8
+1 Con = +HP	+ 21
+1 Int = +SP	+ 26
Starting Hit Points	116
Starting Spirit Points	164

 
Startup Talents: Strike, Smiting Blow(1), Myshana's Tears(1), Ethereal Anguish(1)

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Talent	AP/SP	Description
Banishment  1	4/12	21 - 52  Holy Damage. +13 Accuracy. Range 6. Cross Shaped AOE. (Req Lvl 18+)
Banishment  2	4/18	25 - 62  Holy Damage. +13 Accuracy. (Targets = Invocation)
Banishment  3	4/24	31 - 78  Holy Damage. +14 Accuracy.
Banishment  4	4/30	35 - 88  Holy Damage. +15 Accuracy.   Becomes 3x3 Hex Block Shaped AOE
Banishment  5	4/36	45 - 110  Holy Damage. +16 Accuracy.
Banishment  6	4/42	51 - 124 Holy Damage. +17 Accuracy.
Banishment  7	4/50	59 - 134 Holy Damage. +17 Accuracy.   Becomes 5x5 Hex Cloud Shaped AOE
Banishment  8	4/58	65 - 148 Holy Damage. +18 Accuracy.
Banishment  9	4/64	73 - 168 Holy Damage. +18 Accuracy.
Banishment 10	4/72	83 - 182 Holy Damage. +18 Accuracy.   Becomes 7x7 Hex Cloud Shaped AOE
Ethereal Anguish  1	2/10	-1 AP. -1 Dodge                    Turns 3 + Conjuring. Range 6 .
Ethereal Anguish  2	2/18	-1 AP. -2 Dodge. -1 Accuracy
Ethereal Anguish  3	2/26	-1 AP. -4 Dodge. -1 Accuracy.
Ethereal Anguish  4	2/34	-1 AP. -4 Dodge. -1 Accuracy   Becomes Cross Shaped AOE
Ethereal Anguish  5	2/42	-1 AP. -4 Dodge. -2 Accuracy
Ethereal Anguish  6	2/50	-2 AP. -5 Dodge. -3 Accuracy
Ethereal Anguish  7	2/58	-2 AP. -5 Dodge. -4 Accuracy
Ethereal Anguish  8	2/66	-2 AP. -6 Dodge. -5 Accuracy  Becomes Range 7
Ethereal Anguish  9	2/74	-2 AP. -6 Dodge. -6 Accuracy
Ethereal Anguish 10	2/82	-2 AP. -7 Dodge. -7 Accuracy. Becomes 3x3 Block Shaped AOE.
Holy Retribution  1	3/6	13 - 24  Holy Damage.  +6 Accuracy. Range 6
Holy Retribution  2	3/10	17 - 40  Holy Damage.  +8 Accuracy.
Holy Retribution  3	3/14	21 - 50  Holy Damage.  +9 Accuracy.
Holy Retribution  4	3/18	25 - 69  Holy Damage.  +10 Accuracy.
Holy Retribution  5	3/23	29 - 76  Holy Damage.  +13 Accuracy.
Holy Retribution  6	3/28	33 - 87  Holy Damage.  +15 Accuracy.
Holy Retribution  7	3/34	39 - 102 Holy Damage.  +17 Accuracy.
Holy Retribution  8	3/38	47 - 122 Holy Damage.  +18 Accuracy.
Holy Retribution  9	3/42	53 - 138 Holy Damage.  +20 Accuracy.
Holy Retribution 10	3/48	61 - 156 Holy Damage.  +22 Accuracy.
Myshana's Tears  1	3/8	(32 + Lore)  Heal HP Range 6
Myshana's Tears  2	3/12	70 +   (Lore x 2)   HP
Myshana's Tears  3	3/18	130 + (Lore x 3)  HP
Myshana's Tears  4	3/24	180 + (Lore x 4)  HP
Myshana's Tears  5	3/30	240 + (Lore x 5)  HP
Myshana's Tears  6	3/36	300 + (Lore x 6)  HP
Myshana's Tears  7	3/42	380 + (Lore x 7)  HP
Myshana's Tears  8	3/50	460 + (Lore x 8)  HP
Myshana's Tears  9	3/58	600 + (Lore x 9)  HP
Myshana's Tears 10	3/64	900 + (Lore x 10) HP
Piety Ward  1	2/8	+ 6 All Resists. Range 6. Cross Shaped AOE. Turns 8 + Conjuring  Buff
Piety Ward  2	2/12	+ 8 All Resists
Piety Ward  3	2/18	+12 All Resists   Becomes 3x3 Block Shaped AOE.
Piety Ward  4	2/24	+ 14 All Resists
Piety Ward  5	2/30	+ 18 All Resists
Piety Ward  6	2/36	+20 All Resists
Piety Ward  7	2/42	+24 All Resists
Piety Ward  8	2/50	+28 All Resists
Piety Ward  9	2/58	+34 All Resists
Piety Ward 10	2/64	+40 All Resists
Purifying Breeze  1	3/10	+16 Heal HP. Range 6. Dispels all enemy curses. Cross Shaped AOE (Req Lvl 6+)
Purifying Breeze  2	3/18	+32 Heal HP + (Lore x 2)    * note: PB(1) is +16 HP + Lore
Purifying Breeze  3	3/26	+48 Heal HP + (Lore x 3)
Purifying Breeze  4	3/34	+64 Heal HP + (Lore x 4)
Purifying Breeze  5	3/42	+92 Heal HP + (Lore x 5)
Purifying Breeze  6	3/50	+120 Heal HP + (Lore x 6)    Becomes 3x3 Hex Block Shaped AOE
Purifying Breeze  7	3/58	+148 Heal HP + (Lore x 7)
Purifying Breeze  8	3/66	+188 Heal HP + (Lore x 8)
Purifying Breeze  9	3/74	+228 Heal HP + (Lore x 9)
Purifying Breeze 10	3/82	+300 Heal HP + (Lore x 10)    Becomes 5x5 Hex Cloud Shaped AOE
Sacrifice  1	1/16	Restores 10 + (50% Lore x 1) SP. Range 6. Single Target.    (Req Lvl 6+)
Sacrifice  2	1/28	Restores 18 + (50% Lore x 2) SP
Sacrifice  3	1/40	Restores 26 + (50% Lore x 3) SP
Sacrifice  4	1/52	Restores 36 + (50% Lore x 4) SP
Sacrifice  5	1/68	Restores 48 + (50% Lore x 5) SP
Sacrifice  6	1/82	Restores 60 + (50% Lore x 6) SP
Sacrifice  7	1/94	Restores 72 + (50% Lore x 7) SP
Sacrifice  8	1/104	Restores 96 + (50% Lore x 8) SP
Sacrifice  9	1/112	Restores 112 + (50% Lore x 9) SP
Sacrifice 10	1/124	Restores 128 + (50% Lore x 10) SP
Smiting Blow  1	W/3	+2 Dmg.  +2 Accuracy for Attack
Smiting Blow  2	W/5	+5 Dmg.  +3 Accuracy
Smiting Blow  3	W/7	+8 Dmg.  +5 Accuracy
Smiting Blow  4	W/10	+12 Dmg.  +6 Accuracy
Smiting Blow  5	W/12	+16 Dmg.  +7 Accuracy 6% Critical
Smiting Blow  6	W/14	+20 Dmg.  +8 Accuracy 15 % Critical
Smiting Blow  7	W/17	+24 Dmg.  +9 Accuracy 25% Critical
Smiting Blow  8	W/20	+28 Dmg. +10 Accuracy 35% Critical
Smiting Blow  9	W/23	+34 Dmg. +11 Accuracy 45% Critical
Smiting Blow 10	W/26	+40 Dmg. +12 Accuracy 55% Critical
Warder's Shield  1	2/8	+1 Parry. +1 Dodge  Range 6. Cross Shaped AOE. Turns 8 + Conjuring.
Warder's Shield  2	2/12	+2 Parry. +2 Dodge           (Also #targets = Conjuring)
Warder's Shield  3	2/18	+2 Parry. +3  Dodge Becomes 3x3 Block Shaped AOE
Warder's Shield  4	2/24	+3 Parry. +4  Dodge
Warder's Shield  5	2/30	+3 Parry. +5  Dodge
Warder's Shield  6	2/36	+4 Parry. +6  Dodge
Warder's Shield  7	2/42	+4 Parry. +7  Dodge
Warder's Shield  8	2/50	+5 Parry. +8  Dodge
Warder's Shield  9	2/58	+5 Parry. +9  Dodge
Warder's Shield 10	2/64	+6 Parry. +10 Dodge

Boost In Budget +8 Attributes. +14 Skills. 10 Talents.

[fallen]

@johnrobison - exalted as many times as I could for these tables

[John Robinson]

fallen

I'm glad you like, and think they are useful. That kind of encouragement is very motivating to keep going.

My plan is to keep adding tables for the New Characters as they become available for purchase, and add them to the cross reference.

I will also be paying attention to what you say in the Updates Forum to keep the tables up to date.

[Karjus]

Just what benefit is there supposed to be going beyond level 6 in Sacrifice? At that point, regardless of lore there is always a 100% return to each other character in the group. I understand in combat, if you maxed it out you'd theoretically save yourself from casting it twice and saving 1 AP and restore perhaps roughly the same amount.. but is that really worth an extra 4 talent points?

[fallen]

Karjus - those 4 talent points are currently reserved for future functionality.

[samopop]

Correction: The AP cost of Sacrifice increases at higher levels. It starts to cost 2 AP at level 4 and it starts to cost 3 AP at level 7.

By the way, all of these individual talent tables, levelling tables, etc. are really amazing. I refer to them regularly for planning!

[slayernz]

I've corrected the Sacrifice part of the table to show that it consumes 2AP from level 4+

Sacrifice is amazing if you have invested heavily into Lore - with max Lore, you can get really good returns on your SP used. Even at Sacrifice level 2, you can dish out 50SP for a mere 30SP consumed. This is one of the coolest of Kyera's talents and helps keep you away from camp sites longer

[En1gma]

slayernz- you missed the level 10 ap change. (I proofread too much)

[samopop]

I very much agree that Sacrifice is amazing if invested heavily into Lore! That is exactly what I am doing with my latest build. I am also going with just 2 levels because I am finding talent points a lot more valuable than attribute points for Kyera.

To expand upon En1gma's comment: I believe levels 7-10 of Sacrifice require 3 AP.

[slayernz]

Is that better? ... I didn't plan on taking Sacrifice above level 2 because the return is excellent and higher levels just cost more AP for the similar (or in some cases, lower) return

[samopop]

Oct 23, 2014 23:32:00 GMT -5 slayernz said:

Is that better? ... I didn't plan on taking Sacrifice above level 2 because the return is excellent and higher levels just cost more AP for the similar (or in some cases, lower) return

  Perfect!

  Looking at the (corrected) tables makes me wonder whether there is a balance issue with Sacrifice?  This has been brought up before (by Karjus earlier in this thread), but I am going to bring it up again.  There seems to be basically no benefit to going above 2 (or 3) Sacrifice when you have reasonable Lore.  To expand, I geeked out a bit and generated the plot below:



 I see two reasons why you would want to increase Sacrifice.  The first is that you would want to increase the "efficiency" of sacrifice (i.e. the amount of SP gained per SP spent)   From the left plot, we see that with no investment in Lore, there is a continual increase in the "efficiency" of Sacrifice.  In my opinion, it is extremely unlikely to have lots of Sacrifice with no Lore increase because the gain in efficiency is larger by investing in Lore than investing in Talents.  Also, Lore increases the effect of the other healing Talents.  So, assuming you are investing in Lore, it quickly becomes true that Sacrifice 2 is a "sweet spot."  As you invest more in Lore, 2 becomes more and more of a sweet spot until at maximum Lore there is basically a negligible increase in efficiency from increasing Sacrifice even to 10.

  The other reason you would want to increase Sacrifice is to be able to transfer more total SP (without considering the SP cost).  The right plot indicates how much you can transfer by depicting the SP gained per AP spent.  Similar arguments apply here except the sweet spot is at 3 Sacrifice (right before the AP increase).  After a few points into Lore, you have to hit Sacrifice 10 before being able to significantly transfer more SP.  Sacrifice 2 still allows very high amounts of total transfer and at max Lore only Sacrifice 6 and 10 significantly out-perform it.  However, if you really are concerned about transferring the maximum amount of spirit points, you should *never* go above Sacrifice 3.  With a cost of 1 AP, you can cast it 1 - 7 times to transfer just the amount that you want and mix it in with all sorts of other actions.  With a cost of 3 AP, you can only cast it once or twice and never utilize your full 7 AP on it.  The increased flexibility of a 1 AP cost is *giant*.

  So, that is my argument for why I think higher levels of Sacrifice need some improvement.  (alternatively, lower levels could be nerfed . . . but that would destroy my current build so please don't do that). 

[slayernz]

I'd like to make a apology to John Robinson for modifying the tables he so painstakingly worked on. I should not have done so as it wasn't my place to do so. We have all greatly benefited from the fantastic talent tables that have created for each character, and it is easy to forget the work that goes on long after the original table is made. So sorry John Robinson.

[fallen]

It's definitely best to let one person own them. I've looked at the BBCode required to make those things and I am very glad not to have to be involved

[John Robinson]

Oct 24, 2014 21:39:52 GMT -5 slayernz said:

I'd like to make a apology to John Robinson for modifying the tables he so painstakingly worked on. I should not have done so as it wasn't my place to do so. We have all greatly benefited from the fantastic talent tables that have created for each character, and it is easy to forget the work that goes on long after the original table is made. So sorry John Robinson.

Oct 25, 2014 12:01:44 GMT -5 fallen said:

It's definitely best to let one person own them. I've looked at the BBCode required to make those things and I am very glad not to have to be involved

Thank you both for your support  without which I would feel like Sisyphus pushing the boulder up the hill only to watch it roll down again.
The many times you have made such great comments about the tables has really motivated me to keep going and try new enhancements including future plans for more new tables. 

[wascalwywabbit]

These tables r really awesome, I check 'em every couple weeks. Thanks!